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every state but one exempts religious employers from paying state unemployment taxes — reducing the employers’ payroll expenses but also leaving their workers without unemployment benefits if they are laid off.

What's the one state? Bit odd that they're out in the cold there.

Would also be interested to know if Catholic priests', imams' and rabbis' income is similar to Protestant priests. And if nuns/monks count too.

In answer to your question, pastors can itemize deductions in addition to using the parsonage allowance. It's a unique double-deduction. You're also right about the salary discrepancies, particularly for those with advanced degrees.

The Master of Divinity degree I completed was 90 hours of graduate work -- in comparison to many friends who earned master's degrees with as little as 30-36 hours of graduate study. (Not complaining about this -- just another useful tidbit of comparision.)

What was with the unnecessary dig on the NYT?

From the looks of your article, most of the quotes had very little to do with religion. By and large, the content you quoted pertained to taxes and personal finance with an emphasis on employment in the religious field. If you didn't trust the material, why quote it in the first place?

I'm sure this comment won't see the light of day... But if you don't like the paper, don't use their material.

Ben --

Do you consider the NYT and expert on religion?

FMF -

Very few newspapers are "experts" in anything beyond condensing information from multiple sources and presenting it as news. So of course they are not "experts" on religion. But again, the comment you made was meant to be snarky. And besides, pretty much everything you quoted had to do with salaries, statistics, and tax law. I'm sure any major daily would be more than capable of gathering these facts and presenting them in an article, regardless of their qualifications on religion.

While there's no doubt that a great many pastors do good and hard work for little pay, the same could easily be said of any number of public servants (check out the average salary for a starting ADA) or nonprofit workers. I'm not sure why I should be subsidizing employees of religious denominations in preference to them.

FMF, it seems this post was written tongue-in-cheek but I would certainly recommend against anyone pursuing a pastor position due to financial compensation. My father is a head pastor and has been my entire life. Being surrounded by ministry and ministry-types my whole life, I can't remember one pastor that made 100K in salary. I'm sure they are out there, for larger churches, but its not something that is offered to someone immediately switching jobs from a non-clerical position.

Reasons to not chase money by becoming a pastor off the top of my head:

1) Seminary school costs - There are little or no scholarships available for seminary attendees. Even while working part-time to get through school, most pastor's I know start 50K in the whole. On average, they are fortunate to land a position out of seminary that pays above 35K.

2) Limited, or non-existent benefit packages - PTO, insurance, retirement options, etc.

3) Non-existent overtime pay - 70-80 weeks are the norm

4) Entry level pastors rarely make any money - Like many professions, pastors need to 'pay their dues'. So many younger pastors will start with youth ministries with lower starting pays than say.. a senior pastor with 20+ years of experience. Only after substantial experience will a pastor even be eligible for an increase in pay. I would say that the average starting pastor salary is between 30-40K.

5) All the random BS that pastors have to deal with - Don't want to get into details here. Not sure if this is offset by lower taxes though.

A pastor's life is one of sacrifice and servanthood. That should be the primary reason and calling for the profession.

Interesting. My parents are both pastors, but I don't think they get either of these tax breaks.
Their housing is military housing, so they don't pay rent or a mortgage (though I suppose they could deduct things like the electric bill?). And they definitely pay Social Security--I think at times my mom has had to pay both parts of her Social Security despite being what most people would call "employed," though I could be wrong on that.

I agree with the comment above - getting through seminary can be daunting, and many ministers emerge with debt.

The starting salary is quite low, and it is so bad in our synod that they had to publish guidelines for congregations so that they paid their pastors a living wage.

That being said, many ministers do get free housing and perhaps free utilities (though the homes can be unlivable at times and congregations take offense at ministers complaining) and can opt out of social security. Many do get health insurance, and lots of free food. LOTS of free food. ;)

It's a very difficult profession, but if you are called you just go and do it. I know that you know that, of course. ;)

I know a pastor who leads a small but thriving church and who also works full time telecommuting to a company three hours away. Not sure if the social security opt-out benefit applies to his secular income, though.

Although being a pastor is definitely a lot of work and involves a lot of time commitment, I think pastors probably have a very high quality of life, at least it seems so from the outside looking in.

Thank you all for this discussion. My wife and I are Co-pastors at a small church in Wisconsin, smaller than the average Protestant attendance. (by the way, it may be helpful for some that read FMF to know that the average Protestant church has attendance of 102) We are splitting 1.5 positions and have had this arrangement in our current church for 4+ years and in our former church for 6 years.

In our former church, we lived in a church owned house, a parsonage. That was per terms of our call. While housing was provided and utilites paid, we built up zero equity. If we would have bought the house and sold it when we left, we would have "made" well over $100,000. I'm not complaining, that's just how it was.

Where we are now, we have purchased a home. It is below the average price for homes in our area. We would not be able to afford even this home without the "housing allowance."

Also, we both feel God has called us to the ministry. It has its ups and downs, like all types of work. I would like to comment though, on how "good a life" it is. If we were not called to it, we would never do it. In the 1960's, being a minister was way up on the list of "healthy" professions. Now it is very near the bottom. There are a thousand reasons for that, but for most pastors I know, they would say the same.

If you are a church-goer, why don't you give you pastor or pastors an extra word of thanks this week. That goes a long way.

with infinite hope, Jim

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