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I am envious of all of you who live somewhere where a property investment makes sense and can be cash-flow positive.

Here in moronville, CO, a quadraplex with monthly rents totally $2000 ($500 per unit) is on the market for $875,000. Another duplex with $900 monthly rents is on the market for $350,000. I expect these remnants from the great property bubble will be around for quite a while around here, but they make investing in real estate a complete joke.

AdamCO, I really don't understand how you guys do it out on the west coast. Here in Atlanta, I bought a condo for about $100,000 (after a few renovations) and could rent it for about $850 per month if I didn't choose to live in it. I had a roommate for a while who paid me $450 per month to live in my spare bedroom, but I decided I'd rather turn it into a home office and live alone after he moved out. I will almost definitely convert this one into a rental in a year or two when I buy a new condo in a nicer neighborhood. West coast price simply astound me.

I don't know if anyone ever listened to Bruce Williams on the radio. He always told his listeners you had to get an absolute minimum of 1% per month of the existing value of the property and he made it a rule in his business to get 1.5% per month or he wouldn't buy the property.

That usually eliminates single family homes from the equation, leaving duplexes, 4-plexes on up. Bruce would say a 4-plex that rents for $2000/month should fetch no more than $200k, and if were him he would'nt buy it for more than about $133k, unless he was certain he could get more than $2000 per month in rent.

Personally I think doing the work yourself and not paying a property manger is a good way to start. Its my understanding property managers generally charge you 10% of the rent off the top and thats in addition to paying for any work done. So paying them can really eat into your cash flow. And for small units there isn't really a lot of work especially if you hire out services. Put your bills on auto pay, cash checks once a month, pay people to do maintenance as needed and show units when theres vacancies. Doing the work yourself will also give you a better idea of how the business works.

Of course its up to the individual. Being a landlord is really not for everyone.

Jim

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