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Thank you. I knew that half of what Marotta said was full of s**t but i didn't know which half.

Great post and you hit the main two culprits. However, I think the rating agencies are getting off light. Had they actually done their job these CDOs and other toxic products would not have gotten the AAA rating. With more realistic and much lower ratings, the investment banks would not have been motivated to create these products as there would have been fewer buyers.

Of course, the Alan Greenspan fed holds a great deal of blame. And, I would say the Bernanke Fed isn't helping. You can't solve a problem created by artificially low rates by lowering rates to artificially low levels.

A minor factual correction: The loans involved in the subprime crisis were *not* issued in 2006 and 2007--they *reset* in 2006 and 2007 (and continuing), raising payments and tipping some homeowners into default.

Really, you can't blame just one or two groups of people for the subprime crisis. It was a combination of many problems all intersecting at once that caused a massive blowout in the financial system.

The author of this post is correct that *part* of the problem lies with the fact that originators of mortgages were not the same ones responsible when people didn't pay the bill. Part of the problem is people too greedy and irresponsible for taking out mortgages they new they couldn't afford. Part of the problem was the lending being too greedy and writing these mortgages, assuming that house prices would perpetually increase.

And part of the problem, as Mr. Marotta pointed out, is excessive government interference. In this case, I believe the most egregrious case of government interference is the Fed, a quasi-government regulatory agency, that kept interest rates artifically cheap. Having the price of money too cheap created an excessive demand for this money, and thus drove up the price of the things this money was used to purchase -- in this case, houses.

If the Fed kept rates at a more esensible level, then the extent of the subprime problem would not be nearly as great.

In short, it's really some of everyone's fault, and you can't just blame one group of people and call the other groups "victims".

Thanks, FMF... that was my comment asking for a counter explanation. I was sold on Marotta's argument at first, now that's not the case.

Though I do have one question that Christopher Smith brought up... did you mean to say reset as opposed to issued? That makes a big difference in the timelines. If they were issued in 2006-2007, most likely they are just now reseting.

Also, I think the best explanation of all for the sub prime crisis is here:

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2008/03/subprime-primer.html

Right, and let's not forget two other things:

(1) The ratings agencies--those responsible for classing the securities as investment-grade or not--are paid in large part by the very people they rate. Guess how that's worked out?

(2) Lenders pushed people who weren't "subprime worthy" into subprime loans (say, ignoring assets that might have pushed them up into alt-A territory) because they had incentives to do so (e.g., bigger fees on subprime originations than on alt-A). Unsurprisingly, these were unsophisticated purchasers and those loans did badly...but at a lower interest rate, maybe not.

People like to rant about the greedy house-buyers, but we're talking about a bunch of incredibly sophisticated forces lining up to bring enormous pressure on people who didn't really know that much to try to rip them off, basically. Pray you're never the target of such a high-powered con scheme, people--and until you've survived one, maybe you shouldn't be patting yourself on the back about how much more clever and prudent you are.

(No, I didn't buy a house during the boom.)

Thanks for your response but the garbage Marotta spews is best left ignored. It only encourages more.

@Sarah,

Regarding your #2... those people who were "conned" made the choice to buy a house even though they did not have the assets or income to do so, they knew it and the lenders knew it. All the pressure in the world can be stopped by just walking away. I am patting myself on the back for being more clever and prudent. I was a renter looking to buy at the peak of these "con schemes" and I didn't fall for their crap. Why can't it all just come down to plain ignorance? If you cannot get a mortgage loan at your local credit union or bank, what makes you think that you can handle one from the sleazy broker down the street? It's time these people and Congress take some responsibility for their own mistakes.

Okay, Tom, keep on telling yourself that it could never happen to you, only to the Bad, Lazy, Greedy People. A lot of PF people seem to need to think that to get themselves through the night.

"The loans involved in the subprime crisis were *not* issued in 2006 and 2007--they *reset* in 2006 and 2007 (and continuing), raising payments and tipping some homeowners into default."

While there were definitely some subprime loans issued in 2004 and 2005 that reset in 2006 and 2007, the volume of subprime loans issued in 2006 and 2007 (and thus reseting in 2008/09/10) is a couple times greater than the volume of subprime loans that reset in the past two years! In addition, the "ABX" index, an index that tracks the performance of subprime loans issued in a certain 6 month period, shows that loans issued in late 2005/early 2006 have performed much better than loans issued in late 2006 and early 2007, and that loans issued in late 2007 are expected to do even worse over their lifetimes.

@Sarah,

I can tell you, with 100% certainty, it won't happen to me. Before I sign up for anything, I have to do my research and understand what I'm signing. It is the borrowers responsibility to understand the terms and conditions. If they don't understand, then they need to learn. They can go to their local library and access the internet for free. I don't buy this predatory lending garbage, because no matter how much pressure they put on you to sign up, you can always walk away. If the deal is too good to be true, it usually is. The same goes for these "high-powered con schemes".

THANK YOU!

Wow, I was catching up on my RSS feeds and got angrier at the one-sided crap from that previous post. I am in the top 95% of individual income, and I was offered a ridiculous mortgage when I bought my current home less than 2 years ago. That has nothing to do with a minority or an increase in ownership. They were greedy, they wanted to get my money, not let the next guy have it.

Thankfully I put 20% down, so now that I'm down about 25% on the house, I really am only 5% under water. The 20% was bubble money from the previous house, so I have lost about 5% out of pocket. I am not concerned about recouping that in the next few years, so I'll be fine.

They were willing to give me a 100% mortgage that I could not have realistically afforded. I was utterly amazed that I was approved for it.

I have plenty of friends who are in financial trouble with their homes because they weren't as conservative as I was, and none of them match any of the minority, lower class, or first time home owners that the article speaks to.

Something tells me he bleeds right-wing nut.

I'm uncomfortable with ascribing moral judgements to a fundamentally economic problem. Yes, borrowers/lenders were greedy, imprudent, and manic, but were they any more so than in previous bubbles?

1. Like all bubbles, the real estate market didn't start out as one. MBS trading and subprime lending did in fact become more efficient in the late 90s, and for a brief while, they were underpriced. The problem is that commodities rarely stay underpriced for long, and once the first few people made money off of it, the traders did what they always do: they followed the herd right over the cliff.

2. There's nothing inherently corrupt about selling mortgages. In fact, by making a morgage more liquid, for a while, it helped consumers by lowering rates. It's easy to see fraud when lenders sell what turned out to be non-performing loans, except that the same lenders were also buying those same loans from other banks. The lenders thought they were being prudent by diversifying into different markets. Unfortunately for them, diversification by industry is as important as diversification by geography, so when the markets collapsed nationwide, it didn't matter how 'spread out' their holdings were; they all tanked at the same time. Absent evidence to the contrary, I can't help but conclude the lenders weren't conning anyone; they all suffered from the same collective hallucination. Not that it makes a difference in the end, but this goes back to my original point of ascribing moral judgements to economic problems.

The author (who is the author???) writes, "Mr. Marotta decries the fact that "nobody listens to economists", implying that economists generally think that this government regulation caused the subprime crisis. Untrue. For example, the economists who wrote the NYT Best Selling book "Freakonomics", as well as their colleague Itzhak Ben-David, blame the same thing that I do -- securitizations driving lack of due diligence by lenders."

Even if we grant that the creation of structured investment vehicles (SIVs) of mortgages is one the primary cause of the subprime meltdown instead of the CRA, this is a false dichotomy. The CRA changes of 1995 is what allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages:

Community Reinvestment Act (Changes of 1995):
The 1995 revisions were credited with helping to substantially increase the amount of loans to small businesses and to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loans. Part of the increase in the latter type of lending was no doubt due to increased efficiency in the secondary market for mortgage loans. The revisions allowed the securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages. The first public securitization of CRA loans started in 1997.

It is still the case that the CRA purposefully weakened lending standards and then provided a way for those incentivised to weaken lending standards to avoid continuing to hold their liabilities.

David John Marotta

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