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I don't understand why government charity is "something for nothing" but private charity is not. Wouldn't free money, regardless of the source, encourage idleness?

I liked this article. Another big problem with creating well fare programs is the difficulty to remove those programs later - just like the seagulls.

Anyways on another note - Can you add the facebook function to the blog? I would link things to my facebook profile.

I was struck by how far from any biblical principles this article is-the division between God's way and the Government's way reflect neither the Biblical principles of Government or of private charity.
There is nothing in the Bible that would lead someone to believe that the government is not a useful tool to help the poor and needy. The religious government set up in the Old Testament included rules for the care of widows and orphans, as well as foreigners who might be in need, and the tax of the day (the tithe) was used in part to care for the poor.
Equally, Jesus supported private giving to the poor regardless of whether the poor deserved the assistance, such as his command to the rich young ruler to give all he had to the poor and follow Jesus. This was not a command to give only to industrious poor people.

Next, there is significant evidence that providing support to the poor does not actually increase idleness. I grant that communism is a failed experiment, but the social safety net in Europe has drastically reduced the level of poverty, chronic homelessness, and violent crime in comparison to America, and improved life expectancy and health care outcomes. Equally, American society is much better for the vast majority of people because of the social safety net, most obviously public education, social security and medicare. My personal opinion is that the American social safety net falls below the level suggested by the Biblical model of care for neighbor and the needy.

Finally, I do not think social safety nets qualify as stealing. Private property, money, and the like are social constructs-the notion that you morally deserve what you can tear out of the market is not a Christian ideal, it is greed idolized as a virtue. Just because greed is one of the more powerful forces in the human heart, and social systems that recognize that humans are essentially fallen creatures motivated by evil are most effective (e.g. capitalism), does not mean that we have to worship the free market. The kingdom of God is one where the last shall be first and the first shall be last, not one where the free market reigns unchecked.

Voluntary has nothing to do with the "Lord's Way". Many people and organizations believe in helping their own and not others, Religious organizations offering help to members of their same religion or using peoples times of need to proselytize to them about the benefits of "the one True Way". Organizations like The United Way and the Red Cross (Crescent) provide charity for many people in times of need without the urge to spread the word.

The government doesn't force anyone to provide charity others. People contribute to live in a society (via taxes). In return they gain access to benefits, such as clean water, police protection, and, yes, charity in times of need, but you could easily opt out of it all and not pay taxes by moving to the middle of a forest and living off the land.

As for the Gullible Gull. Why is it I always hear that parable, but almost in always the exact same way, including formatting (missing text, use of spacers, etc.)? In any case, the proposition of self-reliance is a stange one. How many people are truly self reliant? How many people could hunt a deer without a gun, build a fire without matches, or set a broken bone? Society formed in order to minimize the need for self-reliance. We came together because we were more likely to survive as a group then by ourselves. And as our groups became larger, it became necessary to form governments, otherwise there was no focus. If you look around the world it was government bodies (some better, some worse, some with religion, others without) that were able to build some of the most amazing things like the Hover Dam. They also provided the interstate highways that connected the U.S., the Bridges that would otherwise isolated one side of water from another, the massive airports and air infrastructure, not to mention the predecessor of the Internet. I don't see the churches providing access to information outside of their dogma.

Other then that, love the blog :-).

Ben

I love the post. It opens up a conversation about whether government handouts are helpful or not. I have had many discussions about this very thing. The government does have a valid role in helping the poor and needed, but sometimes they go too far and create more social problems. It takes constant adjustment and their are always examples on both sides.

In the end, it doesn't matter where the money comes from. What matters is if people trust in God as their provider or if they put their trust in something else - like the government. When people put their trust in something other then God (like the government), they turn away from Gods ways of loving each other. That is the problem. Government handouts are dangerous because they can tempt us to put our trust in something other than God. But putting your trust in the government instead of God is just as much our fault as the govenments. Some people happily collect government handouts while maintaining their faith in God as their provider, realizing that God has blessed their government with the resources to support them.

I disagree with Ben and StLPastor. The government's duty is not the administration of social welfare programs, it is the duty of the church and the family.

Unfortunately, the government has stepped into this role because the church has abdicated its duty to provide for the impoverished.

This giving toward charitable organizations is "voluntary" in the sense that God commands us to care for the needy.

StLPastor remarks that "American society is much better for the vast majority of people because of the social safety net, most obviously public education, social security, and Medicare." These programs are illuminate the problem with government control.

Public education (I refer to K-12) is yet another role the has been abdicated - not by the church, but by the parents. It is the mother's duty to raise, nurture and educate the children - not the state's. We are indoctrinated, however, that the prevalent norm now is to relinquish that education so that (oftentimes) the mother can pursue her career. A sad commentary on the moral failings of the family unit.

Social security. I need not mention what will happen a few decades down the road. Again, it is not the government's role to step in and provide financial support. The church (alms) has the duty to care for the poor. Many times this problem is caused my families inadequately planning and providing for their own. Social security is destined to fail, but with all that it has done, society is harmed more than it is helped with the implementation of this government planning.

Medicare too has its share of problems with funding. The government simply cannot account for the baby boomers which are beginning to flood into the system. The long term costs are saddled with the younger generations and their offspring.

The government does have obligations, just not the ones - social programs, medical, future financial planning - ascribed to it.

This is a great post. Unfortunately, I think too many people are reading that we should do away with government. As has been pointed out, the government does have its place. There are places in scripture that tells us we are to submit to the authority of the government and to pay our taxes. The scripture also tells us that we are to take care of the poor. The big difference between government welfare program and charity programs is that the charities usually screen their clients. They offer ways to help- not just a handout. They "teach a man to fish" and not just "give the man a fish".

I agree with Ben E about public education and the fact so many parents have abdicated their responsibilities to their children. Do I believe that every parent should homeschool? No, but I believe that every parent needs to consider it an option and take the responsibility of their children's education upon themselves- whether they choose a public, private, or homeschool.

Thank you FMF for posting this great article.

I am fine with the government forcing us to follow the Biblical principles of caring for the poor, etc.

I only have one requirement. If we are going to do that, then we are going to be consistent. From now on, the government will enforce other Biblical mandates.

No sex outside of a marriage relationship.

No gay sex.

Lust after a woman? Get caught and we will prosecute you. Yes, you will go to jail for trying to sneak that down blouse of the cute chick with the low neckline.

And that's only the beginning. And all enforced with the full force of government.

Absurd you say? No more absurd than anyone else picking out some other Biblical mandate for government enforcement.

Folks, you cannot have it both ways. Either the government's job is to enforce Biblical mandates or it is not. It cannot be both.

BTW, Ski Daddy, your comment is so sickeningly devoid of factual basis, and so full of unsupportable left wing pablum, that it isn't even worth refuting. The absurdity of it is it's own best rebuttal.

Richard, you agree with Ski Daddy's comment, it is mine you take issue with. Just thought I'd take the blame for my own left wing pablum. I'd suggest that the idea that private individuals can provide a level of social support close to that of the government has been pretty roundly discredited by history, since the increase in the social safety net has corresponded to an improvement of every metric we might use to measure quality of life in North America and Europe.

I actually agree that there is a good discussion to have about what role the government has in terms of providing a social safety net, obviously the government can go too far, but to abandon all social safety net does reduce the social mobility of the poor.
Anyway, my main reason for wanting a social safety net is more based on a desire for a functioning society and a good social contract. Gross poverty and vast gaps in the distribution of wealth leads to nasty results in a country (increased crime, threat of the breakdown of social order, oligarchies, etc.), so I vote in such a way to avoid these dangers in the country I love. Physical health is not something that we 'deserve' or can predict, so I vote to share the burden of medical care as broadly over the society as possible.

While social security risks insolvency in 50 years or so, and Medicare somewhat sooner, this seems a minor concern compared to other crises our nation faces in terms of global warming and the need to shift away from a petroleum dependent economy.

Finally, while home education makes sense for people who can afford to have one spouse at home, the number of single parent households in this country and of course the number of lower educated families who would lack the skills to educate as well as upper income families seems ample justification for a public system. I'm not interested in punishing or rewarding children more than they already are for the status of their parents.

Grace and peace

The problem I have with the post and with a few of the comments is the absolutist nature of it all. I could not begin to respond with the eloquence of StL Pastor but I find his/her view to be much more reasonable, well thought out and respectful of divergent views.

And Ben E: I couldn't disagree more with your comment on education. If your wife is in agreement then it works for you. But don't make absolute statements that it's the woman's place to (insert dogmatic belief here)...I know a whole lot of women who would let you know in no small measure what they think of your views on what women should and shouldn't do.

Good article.
Makes you think.

We all need help at some time but if people would do their best to be self reliant, it would definitelty improve the world.

A wise man once said "If everyone swept in front of their own house, how much cleaner would the world be?

TA Smith

The article is much too absolutist.

Charitable aid from religious groups and government social services can both greatly benefit society and neither is immune negative impacts or from abuses.

I don't see any reason why aid given by a church somehow makes you industrious but aid from the government automatically makes you lazy.


Jim

Great post. Another post that's got me excited about reading "Does Your Bag Have Holes".

I do believe the excerpt is largely biblical. The early church *was* used to take care of the needy. Look at Acts 6 and Acts 2:44 to read how they took care of those in need. It's still the case in many countries. The missionaries we support in Western Europe get the call from the government when children or families are in need.

Not to add another dimension to the discussion, but don't confuse the Lord's Way with the (current) Church's Way. Unfortunately they're often not the same. The American church has dropped the ball. Greed as a (American) virtue does not stop at the church door. What brought about the American welfare system....the Great Depression where people were not willing to sell their possessions and divide it "as anyone had need" (from the aforementioned Acts reference). Once that was over, why worry about it when the government's taking care of it.

There should be a social net; it's called the church. Not the Catholics, not the Methodists, not the Assembly of God, but Christ's church. The church where I can see a need as a church leader and send a needy person to Father Henry, Reverend Jones, or Pastor Hernandez, knowing that church will meet the need. To say it can't happen is to say God's arm *is* too short which is another issue in the American church. Plus we are seeing it in our city. The churches are finally coming together to meet the needs of the "least of these".

this post is way off. how did govt become mutually exclusive of god? govt's are the only entities which can harness sufficient resources and act quickly in times of need, whereas individual volunteerism won't have much affect. aren't there all those sayings about one we are weak united we are strong, etc, etc? the problem isn't govt per se the will to do it. ok, i agree that there will be a certain amount of entitlement under a governmental system, but god's way as you've written depends on the free will of people to help other people and there isn't much of that going on. and who can blame them for not wanting to help since you have so many people who aren't willing to help themselves? not to mention that god's way also ignores the fact that the vast majority of the human population doesn't believe in a christian god.

I like your blog for the most part, the ideas I get from it are pretty basic, though often overlooked because of the way we live.

I understand where you are coming from with this entry. But I believe "The Lord's Way" probably has a lot more to do with close knit groups of people, in smaller towns than in larger cities. It's hard to care about people you hardly know.

Without the government there to help people, the often overlooked, or those not part of a group, may not get the help they need. And while there are plenty anecdotal stories about idleness and government handouts, it just may be one of the side effects of doing mostly good.

I'm very grateful that we do not live in a theocracy, and that each religious group in the US has the freedom to pursue its ideals of charity however it prefers.

I'm also glad that the majority of voters in this country believe that taking care of the poor and disadvantaged is a societal value, not merely a religious one.

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