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The good news- yes, people really are starting to realize what we did wrong and how to fix it.

The bad news- all of this will be forgotten in 5 - 10 years and the cycle continue.

We go to church in a very nice suburb of Kansas City, near McMansions galore. I think maybe one short year ago, the church membership as a whole might have considered itself too prosperous to find Dave Ramsey's teachings useful. However, starting next month, the church is sponsoring Dave's Financial Peace University. Typically, I see FPU advertised on church signs in more middle-to-lower class neighborhoods. The fact that he gives "the same advice your grandma gave, only he keeps his teeth in" has evidently begun to appeal to neighborhoods all over town. I'm glad!!! We need it....

It is funny how the market drop seemed surprising to many it just happened 6-8 years ago. Both downturns (2000-2002 and 2008) saw about a 50% drop in the Vanguard Total Stock Market index (my most widely held investment) at some point, so I didn't find it that unusual. The fact this index was the same on Nov 2008 at is was on Nov 1996 was the surprise and reminder to me that anything is possible.

Let's hope people REMEMBER what they're realizing now.

what would happen to our economy if everyone took the advice on FMF literally? If everyone saved and did not spend their money then the economy would suffer. I am a fan of this site, and i am a fan of frugal living, but the fact remains that if everyone did it then it would effect us in a negative way; a bad example of trickle down economics.

"what would happen to our economy if everyone took the advice on FMF literally? If everyone saved and did not spend their money then the economy would suffer. I am a fan of this site, and i am a fan of frugal living, but the fact remains that if everyone did it then it would effect us in a negative way; a bad example of trickle down economics."

Maybe we'd actually return to being a country that made things other people want, instead of being a country that goes deeper into debt to buy things from others. The horror.

Pop --

We would have to have cheaper labor, materials, and hope that other countries would go consumer crazy as soon as we decided to save


Frank

I think cheaper labor is a given at this point. I think we have lots of materials too. Regarding exporting, how much of that did we do 50 years ago?

Most of those so-called 'financial whiz's' depend on commissions for their income - ie. the more they sell, the more they earn. A bit of a conflict, I think.
And if they're so great at investing, why aren't they retired?

Advertising FPU on church signs in lower class neighborhoods can't hurt but I'm not sure how many people it will bring in the door.

FPU is certainly beyond my meager means at this point in time.

Poor boomer, you're limiting yourself. You don't need to buy FPU to follow the plan. Dave has a free radio show online and his books are in all bookstore (browse).

Pop --

The cheaper labor has a lot to do with wage inflation happening in China and other countries. It also has a lot to do with the falling value of the US dollar. Counting on that is not sustainable.

As far as exports 50 years ago, that is a myth. Exports, currently, are at record levels. You know what is also going strong? Manufacturing dollar output...

Do we really want to go back 50 years?

Frank

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