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Credit reporting is the most underregulated business activity in the world. There is absolutely no penalty for incorrect reporting. If the average person makes an error or is victim of an incorrect entry (not to be mistaken for identity fraud )the result is devasating.
Im not surprised no one will touch this topic in the political ranks, I tried to discuss having a sit down with local politicians, and no one will give me the time of day. Lenders control the process and there is no incentive to fix this mess.
A few more points before I get off the soap box.
1. Landsafe is one of the largest credit reporting agencies. It was a business partner with Countrywide-now BofA
2. Credit scoring is not new. When introdued back in the 70/80's it was know to be flawed as a model. That didn't stop the the FICO, Fair Issac, and Beacon folks from try, try, try again. It finally caught on, to the detriment of the financial world. If it weren't for these numbers it would have been very difficult to establish the criteria for the no-doc and liar loans.
3. When credit scoring was re-established in early 90's the formula and scoring criteria was a secret. I was told by TRW now Equifax that this info was under copywrite. No one was supposed to know how to utilize credit to optimize score.

What's the best and easiest way to get my score? And do you recommend getting credit monitoring?

(1) Closing an account does not eliminate the history associated with that account. It will "age off" your record in seven years just as it would if the account were still open. It is true that closing an account *may* reduce the average length you've held a card or the longest time you've held a card; it may also increase your utilization. Both of these might reduce your credit score. But it doesn't "wip[e] away that long credit history."

(2) Your own analysis has nothing to do with taking advantage of discounts when you open store credit cards. Opening many accounts will ding your score. Spending more than you ought *might* affect your score. Whether you use the discount once you've already decided to open the account doesn't affect your score at all (except possibly *positively*--lower utilization because of the discount).

(3) Since whatever account you apply your extra money to, your *overall* utilization won't change, choosing to pay the highest balance account first shouldn't directly affect your credit report.

There are several errors about credit scores here and also some basic inability to distinguish between activities that are potentially harmful to your overall finances and those that will actually directly lower your credit score. Quality control, FMF...your own posts are so much better than your guest posts most of the time.

Actually Sarah the article is right on with its information. Might I suggest a little more leg work by you before knocking other peoples work.

Thanks for the comments -- and keep 'em coming! Sarah, my post was meant to help people better understand not only their credit, but their overall financial know-how. Sure, some of the things I mention won't directly affect your credit score, but it speaks to a larger issue and a broader understanding of your money, debt, credit and spending habits.

All of the experiences here are true and real. Closing that credit card with a long history did in fact ding my score by lessening the average credit card history length. Opening many cards at once hit my score as well. I didn't say that taking advantage of a retail store discount by opening a credit line would affect a score, rather that those offers can be enticing and can lead folks (ahem, me) to make bad decisions about opening credit cards they don't need. Lastly, if you'll notice in my points about paying down the cards with the highest balances first -- I say that in the long-term, your credit will thank you because you'll pay down your balances faster (not that paying certain cards down first will directly and immediately affect one's credit).

Vishan -- you can get a free copy of your credit report and score from Quizzle.com. We'll give you a full Experian credit report so you can check for errors and make sure everything's there that should be there. We'll also give you a free credit score so you can make better sense of all the stuff that's on your report. As for monitoring -- that's up to you. I think it's useful for folks who expect to make some big purchases in the short-term (like buy a home, refinance or buy/lease a car), but generally, if you set reminders to check your credit every six months to a year, you should be in good shape.

Vishan, the only Federally sanctioned credit report website is http://www.annualcreditreport.com/
It's free. You do have to give your information, but you don't have to sign up for some credit reporting/monitoring/financial management service to get it.
Ann-Marie and FMF, while I agree with a lot of what you wrote, shame on both of you for not mentioning annualcreditreport.com as the place to get your free credit reports.

Amen, Jerry. That website should be part of any post about checking your credit score!

Now...what to do about that Chase Rewards card that is about to kick in with a $30 fee after the first year waiver! Guess I'd rather take the ding by closing it than paying a fee on a card I never use now due to the awesome Schwab Visa that FMF clued me into (right before spending a lot of money abroad with currency conversions galore, I might add)!

Maria,

While you may have issues with credit scores or the secrecy of their calculations, they are the single best way to determine who is most likely to cost a lender money and who is most likely to pay on time, every time, until the debt is paid. Until you come up with a better method than this quantitative one, lenders will continue to use these scores to successfully evaluate the risk of their borrowers.

Also, TRW is now Experian, not Equifax. I use to work for them.

I agree with you that misreporting by lenders is a problem and I have seen it firsthand on the back end (from the credit bureau's side). I would not agree that the lenders have all the power, as the FCRA did a lot to protect consumers. Could we do more by better enforcing reporting standards? Probably so. For one thing, the Bureaus should unify data standards and all lenders should report using the same system. But that's easier said than done.

Until you have seen the results of a good credit score firsthand you probably cannot appreciate how well these things work. They do a remarkable job of sorting people according to risk, and 99.9% of the time the reasons why scores behave as they do makes perfect, logical sense if you give it a bit of thought.

One last comment on the secrecy of scoring models-- the reasons for this have nothing to do with lenders or the credit bureaus. It has everything to do with the fact that a credit score is a SERVICE provided to lenders at a cost. Fair, Isaac, Scorex (Experian's scoring shop) and any other business in that field is in it to make money by having the top performing score-- which lenders will pay more for to get the best assessment of risk. You don't get far if you make all your secrets public. Fair, Isaac dominates the scoring business and has a lot of power.

Jerry -- I didn't mention AnnualCreditReport.com because my post was meant to highlight my own personal experiences and pass along some of the things I learned to others. I also find credit reports without scores -- because Uncle Sam doesn't give you a score for free -- to be confusing to the average person. It's like getting being in school and getting an exam back without a grade. Most folks wouldn't know what to make of it. There are other places out there that will give you both a full credit report AND score for free with no strings attached.

I thought I heard that when a mortgage lender pulls your credit, it should not affect your score as much as another creditor would. I'm not sure how this would work - as in, does it affect it less somehow. Does anyone know? Thanks!

Liz,

A mortgage lender pulling your credit still counts as a hard inquiry. However, you are allowed to "rate shop" without it hurting your credit. This means if you have multiple inquiries by mortgage lenders within a certain time period, the credit bureaus will only count it as 1 when calculating your score-- meaning you can find the best rate without worrying about your credit. The same is true to a lesser extent with auto loans. So you do get hurt less by multiple inquiries, but a single inquiry will still be counted.

Ann-Marie Murphy said:
"There are other places out there that will give you both a full credit report AND score for free with no strings attached."

Free FICO scores?
Could you post some links here, please?
Any recommendations?

Some thoughts:

Drawing conclusions on how credit scores worked based only on your own experience is problematic, since the same action can affect different people different ways, based on what else is in their credit files.

Ann-Marie's absolutely right about #1. The primary negative impact from closing accounts is its effect on your credit utilization. There is a smaller effect on credit history but your accounts can remain on your report for 10 years or more and still contribute positively to your history, even if closed.

That said, credit utilization is why paying down your highest balance IS a good idea, since that increases the all-important gap between the credit you're using and your available credit. Such credit utilization is 30% of the average FICO score. That's why I advise anyone who's maxed out an account to pay that one down first.

You can get free scores from several sources, including Credit Karma, but they're probably not FICO scores, which is the formula most lenders use. The free scores may be close enough for general education, but if you're going to be in the market for a major loan, I'd suggest paying for your scores at MyFico.com.

We've learned a lot about credit scoring since the dark days when the bureaus and lenders weren't even supposed to tell you that you had credit scores, let alone what they were, but unfortunately lots of myths still abound.

Thanks rbk!

David -- As I mentioned previously, you can get a free and full Experian credit report and score from Quizzle.com. No catches. No strings. In fact, no SS# or credit card required.

Thanks all for your comments! I enjoyed guest posting, as well as the coversation that followed. FMF - you have fantastic readers!

I work for a bank. My wife and I each have 2 credit cards: 1 primary (through my employer) and one secondary. My wife added me to her primary credit card to take advantage of my employee discount and other benefits.

I would like to cancel my primary card and share my wife's primary card as one step toward simplifying our finances. Am I risking a lower credit score by canceling my card?

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