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Apparently the author did not check the Mastercard and Visa websites thoroughly enough. Otherwise they would have learned that debit cards branded with either have the SAME protections as credit cards ($0 liability) when processed across their respective networks. Debit cards can do everything a credit card can do, except get you into debt. Even if you plan on paying it off every month in full, if you play with snakes, eventually you will get bitten.

The only way to use a credit card properly is as an ice scraper for your car, and then only if you hold it correctly.

I agree with the poster above. As far as I am concerned, having a credit card in your posession is enough because as night follows day, you will use that card no matter how thorough your debt and finance management is.

Instead of paying the credit card bill the day you get it, SCHEDULE the bill payment using your checking account electronic bill pay feature. You should be looking at your checking account online at least once a week to make sure you know what is in your account.

You should also be tracking your credit card purchases online to make sure you have a handle on your bills. Quicken and other software let you download this information. If you don't have that, you should be able to download it into an Excel spreadsheet. There are lots of free budgeting templates around.

I'm a huge fan of Credit Cards. One thing I like about them is that they can do everything a Debit Card can, except rack up overdraft fees!

Also, if you use ING Electric Orange (or similar) you can schedule your payment to be sent out on a specific date. I enter bills the day I get them, but schedule them for a few days before they are due. Sure, it's only an extra 2 weeks of holding on to the cash, but at least I'm making *some* interest on it.

I have used a credit card since I was 18 and have never once carried a balance or bought something that I would not have paid cash for otherwise. Plus, I've earned thousands of dollars in cash back rewards. Credit cards are only as dangerous as their user...if you have financial discipline, they are just another way of managing your money and earning a little bonus.

I've used credit cards and been free of debt or fees for about 11 years now. In the same time I've earned hundreds of $ worth of rewards. But back in my college days I got into piles of debt and paid tons of interest.

They are what you make of them. Good or bad.

I'm quiting credit cards!

About 2 years ago my wife and I went from paying with debit cards & cash to credit cards to get the cash rebate. We always paid the balance in full so finance charges weren't the issue. What we learned was that our spending habits worsened and consistently exceeded our budget. This resulted in us saving less although the rebate check was pretty good. Maybe we arent disciplined enough. However spending real money versus credit causes you to pause and not impulse buy. Last month we went back to debit cards and cash and we are already spending less and saving more.

Has anyone else shared a similiar experience?

Credit cards are GREAT!!! How else can you save between 1.5% and 3% on everything you buy including all of your monthly bills.
Find the cards, without annual fees, that have the type of rewards you like.
Never, ever, under any circumstances pay a late fee or interest charge.
Be very careful how you dispose of papers that have card numbers on them, and those blank checks the companies like to send you.

You need at least two cards, M/C or Visa is accepted everywhere but AMEX seems to have the best rewards.
Use a BillPay system (free if possible) to schedule payments the business day before they are due.
Jot down on your desk calendar both the due date and the next closing date.
Try to make large charges just after the closing date, not just before it. This way you get to use their money for free for an additional 25 days.

Then put every household expense and monthly bill that you possibly can on one of your cards. One of the best cards is the AMEX/COSTCO card, it gives you back 3% for gasoline & restaurants, 2% for travel, and 1% for everything else. I also have 1.5% reward M/C and a 2% reward AMEX.

Another benefit is that you save money on postage stamps and electronic payment is far more reliable than the US Postal Service. Bottom line is that you save hundreds of dollars every year.

If you lack financial discipline, are a compulsive spender, and are prone to missing payment due dates you have my sympathy because my system won't work for you.

If you listen to nobody else, you have to listen to Old Limey's comment above! Here's a man with experience lol. :)

I agree though. I don't buy into the anti-credit crowd. Do what works for you but don't be bitter about credit cards just because you're not responsible enough to use them.

I've had several credit cards and reaped a ton of points, cash, and flights from them all without paying a single extra cent. My spending is budgeted and controlled regardless of my choice of payment.

Learn folks!

When I saw the title of this post about proper use of credit cards, I remembered a satiric video from a couple of years ago posted on somebody's blog. It was like an interview, but an example for improper use of credit cards was using it to open the door to your apartment if you locked yourself out, but proper use was to simply use the card to buy a new apartment. It was really hilarious. Don't remember who posted it. Tried to find it and couldn't.

Back on subject, I am with the author and Crystal: I've used credit cards for 25 years and have never carried a balance.

@Michael Gardner - yes, they offer protection, so if you find out that the bill is a fraud, then you get to call and have the money returned to you. However, there is a time window during which your account is out of money and your checks can bounce. With credit cards, you get a chance to look at the bill in advance. Also, if there is a dispute between you and the merchant you can deny payment. Plus, some cards offer automatic extension of warranties.

Additionally, most credit cards today have this feature called "automatic payment" of the full balance. This way you get the full grace period, have a chance to examine the bill in advance yet the money will still get paid in full and on time auto-magically.

@Alex Harrison: "you will use that card no matter how thorough your debt and finance management is."
Sure - for things I could comfortably afford to buy. Incidentally, I don't need to "manage debt" since I have no debt. Own my home outright and bought last three cars for cash. Oh, and I am not particularly disciplined: I've never even kept a formal budget. I've just learned at a very young age to appreciate the value of money.

@texashaze - no, but it's all individual. In fact, I often travel to countries where cash is the preferred method of payment and somehow cash manages to disappear whereas my credit card bill is reasonable. Not sure where all the cash goes - must be magic.

But really, it is all about how you think about purchases and money. Say you come to a store and see something you fancy. You may look at the price tag and think "this is expensive, I am not sure it is worth the money, I can buy so much more useful stuff for the same amount of money" or "it takes me so much time to save this amount" or "I am not even sure where to wear it". Or you may think "oh, I can just charge it". Depending on how you think, you will or will not overspend. I tend to think about amounts of money in term of what this amount can buy and whether a particular expense is worth it - regardless of how I would pay for it.

One thing I don't understand if you really paid the full balance: didn't you get unhappy in parting with the large amount when you got the bill? If so, why didn't it stop you from overspending the following month? To me seing a large bill or even thinking about the bill is a pretty big deterrent to overspending.

Mind you, I am sufficiently comfortable right now that it doesn't really matter if I spend a little more or a little less...

@Michael Gardner
"Debit cards can do everything a credit card can do"

EXCEPT for that little thing called cash back or rewards that gives me 1% - 3% cash back on everything that I buy... hmm why would you turn away that free money?

@Old Limey - I agree on all your points. AmEx Costco Business is the best. My problem is I love Costco and spend too much there. I'm a very disciplined spender except at that store. They have so much good stuff and good deals.

@Kitty - We are also comfortable so the over budget spending didn't hurt us but when the monthly bill came I didn't like the number. Once a month pain is actually easier to handle than everyday. So, in that respect cash is easier - more pain everyday keeps me disciplined than that once a month big AmEx bill.

Those who are posting here about how bad credit cards are all have one thing in common. They admit that THEY do bad things with them or that it causes them to spend more money.

The answer to that is simple. Don't have one.

The leap is that many of them then say, everyone else will do the same thing I do, it's just too tempting. They have determined what worked for them (get rid of the cards) and thus that is the solution everyone should use.

The problem with this is that not everyone suffers from the various kinds of discipline problem these people have. Everyone has their own issues to fight and their own way to fight them.

Credit cards may be horrible for many people. I submit they are horrible for most people. I would be fine with drastic reduction of credit card availability and massive changes to credit card payment terms.

For example. I think it would be very beneficial for our economic stability in the long term if we mostly eliminated credit cards, allow them for small credit lines (perhaps maximum total combined lines of 5k) with minimum payments of atleast 10% of the balance per month which gets newly charged money paid off in a year. Credit cards should not be used to finance things people cannot afford. If you want to purchase furniture that you can't afford, get a loan from a bank, get financing from the store, or don't get it.

In place of the drastic reduction of credit card availability encourage massive increases in charge cards which is how most credit cards started out. You could charge large sums on them, but the full balance was due every month, and if its not paid within the grace period, your credit limit is revoked. This is how short term credit should be used. Simply to purchase things in a convenient way which you already have the money for.

I think changes such as these would be beneficial for everyone involved including the U.S. economy.

However, I don't think any such thing is likely to occur. And in the meantime, even though credit cards are used for bad by many, they have benefits to me that I intend to take advantage of.

It's great that some people have determined they are allergic to credit cards and make the wise choice to avoid them. However I don't tell people to avoid things just because I happen to have an allergic reaction to them. They would think I was a little nutty.

So, I think Apex hit on what I wanted to say.

Credit/debit issues for people who are financially responsible usually comes down to a matter of budget tracking. I think saying that it's a discipline issue is kind of harsh, but you definitely need a system to track it.

Now, I realize this is easier said than done, especially for bigger households, but once you nail that down, I think you'll find that using a debit/credit card PROPERLY (and with a reputable credit card company) is one of the best financial tools available, especially if it pays cash or rewards back!

If not, cash is fine too.

My debit card through Chase is a leisure rewards card so I do get points for every purchase that I run as credit and then I can cash those points in for cash.

Hi, Old Limey
Can you share which M/C has 1.5% rewards? I am looking for one for all Sam's Club purchase. Thanks!

FMF, hope you don't mind if I post my question to you, here.
I use credit cards and gain points. I pay the balance due every month. No other debt save the mortgage.
Here's my question: In the view of credit card issuers, I have seen people like me called "freeloaders". Does anyone see/know af an advantage to leaving a small balance on a card, say once or twice a year and paying a small interest charge? Frankly I can't but maybe someone has a different view or experience.

Bill --

I don't see any advantage in it.

Does anyone else?

Bill, what you call "freeloaders" are also called "deadbeats" in the industry.

First of all, don't let them fool you. Your credit score does NOT suffer! Quite the contrary, it improves because it shows that you are fully capable of paying off your debts.

What it doesn't do for the credit card company, however, is for them to make money off of you via debt interest. Their favorite kind of people are the ones who does not default or is late on their payments, but rather, will not pay it off either. Instead, they maintain a healthy debt balance and only pay the monthly minimum. They call these people the "Golden Goose".

Credit card companies do NOT help deadbeats. They have to make money off of you somehow, and therefore, will not budge on that one late fee or overdraft fee that you accidentally incur. Some companies may go as far as hiking up your interest rates or even close your account without your permission! These are the companies you do not want to do business with.

However, they will bend over backwards for a golden goose. They make a killing off your debt interest, and your minimum payment guarantees that they will continue to make money off of you for a long time to come. So, if you should ever slip up or need a limit increase, or whatever else you want to request, they will do whatever they can to accommodate you. One simply does not kill off their golden goose.

By the way, I do NOT consider deliberately becoming a golden goose as a viable financial strategy. Remember, no matter what they do for you, in the end, you are still losing a lot of money to them. It benefits them, but it hurts you.

Besides, with your good credit score, you can always switch and do business with a much more reputable credit or charge card company who will also offer you perks and cash back. My feeling is that if they won't help you, screw them and find somebody else who will.

Remember, we are here to become masters of our finances, not become a slave to them.

FMF and Eugene, thanks. Your views are the same as mine, I just thought I might be missing something. Sort of like "You don't know, what you don't know".
Thanks again.

"Credit card companies do NOT help deadbeats. They have to make money off of you somehow, and therefore, will not budge on that one late fee or overdraft fee that you accidentally incur."

I've always paid in full and yet I've not had a problem having a late fee waived when I was late. Once I was really late - carried an envelope with a check in my purse and kept forgetting to mail it, just had too much on my mind. I called and they waived the fee "just this once". The other time I simply sent the payment too close to the due date but called them to get it waived in advance. The lady said she couldn't do it, but suggested that one way to avoid problems is to sign up for automatic payments and that she could send me the form. But then when I got next month' statement there was no late fee. So either my call worked or my check arrived on time though I don't believe it could've.

I also had limit increased even without my asking them - I hadn't even needed it. And the only company that closed my card for inactivity was AmEx and that was a corporate card which is supposed to be only for business expenses and is required be paid in full. Interestingly at one point I hadn't used my personal card from them for several years and they didn't close it, so maybe it's a policy on corporate cards.

Keep in mind that when you call, you talk with a phone desk employee not an executive. This person doesn't care quite that much about the whole picture or profits, he or she are just doing a job. This employee has personality and feelings, he or she may be in good mood or bad mood. If you are nice and polite, the employee will often forgive a fee or two assuming you don't make a habit of it. But if you are rude then "golden goose" or not, you'll still not get any fees waived.

There really is no reason to ever carry a balance other than some real (e.g. medical) emergency.

mgs:
My 1.5% cash reward M/C and my 2.0% cash reward AMEX are both sponsored by Fidelity Investments and only for their customers. The cash rewards are deposited into a Fidelity account.

If you want to get rid of your credit card debt and employ a debt settlement company for this task then I have a pertinent suggestion. Do not go immediately to just one debt settlement company but instead use a debt relief network that is associated with multiple reputable debt settlement companies. To qualify for inclusion in the debt relief network, the debt settlement company must prove a history of effectively reducing debt.

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