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This is a good thread. Allow me to add my 2 cents. I started my Christian walk by struggling with tithing. I was made to feel guilty about not doing it because my Christian brothers were all doing it and I was given a churchwide mandate - follow my pastor and it is his responsibility for telling us his interpetations and the consequences rest on his shoulders. So I started off by giving 2% then got a raise then gave 5% then got another raise and settle at 10% of my gross without even "feeling it" and even gave more to the poor. I discovered my spiritual gift was in giving and not just money, but time and food. That I could give and feel the Holy Spirit burning inside of me. It was not just in spiritual matters but any kind of giving, beit a t-shirt or a business card or even shoes. This of course caused me to want to give more and more. I felt good, obviously because I was using my spiritual gift. I found that the best times the Spirit would burn would be when I would give not out of obediance but out of love. But then an issue of why I was mandated to tithe came up every month when I had to pay bills. I had also gotten myself close to 100K in debt because of a business venture and credit cards. Quitting giving is something someone with the gift of giving never wants to do, but there was no way out. It was then when I discovered I am now poor and needy. I am on the precipice of losing house and everything in it. I have quit tithing and God showed me the scripture you read at the end of this and I am now deeply under the Law of Liberty.
Now I do not want convince people to stop tithing. I would not want a brother to stumble by my wisdom. Because just by having guilt is a sin and if you feel guilty for not tithing you should tithe. But to the question of whether or not the person was deciding to pay of debt or to tithe, tithe if you feel guilty, do not tithe and pay off your debts if you do not feel guilty. It is human guilt that is the sin and not the not tithing(which is technically your crops given to Jewish priests, our pastors are not Jewish priests). You should give to others out of love and not guilt. Here is the scripture God showed me when I made the decision to quit tithing:
Luke 15:8-9 (I know it is not the context of these verses, but it gave me comfort when I decided to quit tithing and showed me that I should celebrate about it)
8 "Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9 "When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, `Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!'

Wowie! Nothing gets a slew of impassioned responses like the Bible and Christianity's interpretations of the passages. My take is that you should not give unless you have 100% love in your heart and do so freely, whatever the circumstances may be. I've given with love and I've given with resentment and I don't think you should give with the latter, it defeats the intent of giving.

Tithing was never money, although they had tons of it in the new and old testament. When you read Deut.14, you'll see when the tithe was exchanged for money because the God assigned location to offer the tithes was too far, God told them to buy what their heart desired, and to enjoy it with their families. Acts 15 speaks volumes about if new converts should be bound by the law. The Apostles verdict was to not place the same bondage they had on new believers. The leaders of the new testament church never taught it. If tithing was a mandate, why didn't Jesus tell the rich young ruler to give 10% to the church, then give the rest to the poor. Let the Holy Spirit guide you, and you might be surprised. He might tell you to give your money to that young lady(sister in Christ) sitting by you that's about to lose their home.

I know this is an old thread but was reading through hoping a scripture I'm searching for would be quoted. I read the scripture awhile back and, for the life of me, cannot remember where it was! I've looked and looked throughout the Bible & am unable to locate it now. ANYWAY, I'm paraphrasing here, but it basically said that if one owed his brother, he should be in the field working to repay his debt instead of sitting in synagogue. If anyone happens to know this scripture would you PLEASE post it? Much thanks

Just wanted to add, isn't a Christian a man who keeps his word? If you're a person who borrows money and neglects to pay it back, what does that say about your values? It takes more than just giving to a church to be a Christian.

Come to me all of you that are heavy laiden and I will give you rest. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

Oftentimes I feel quite the opposite. Perhaps I am still babe in Christ and I still drink a lot of milk...

To be a faithful Christian I need to give up a lot of things: pride, money, time, certain relationships, addiction... even my favorite exercise yoga!!

I will try my best to do what is demanded of me, as it is not my will but Thy will...I am just hoping that by doing so I am laying treasures in heaven...for eternal...

Just a thought.
How did the first church live?
How did Paul specify this to happen?

If you have 2 coats, give one to your brother, and sell all your posetions and bring it to the storehouse? were the initial churches self sustaining communes that look after each other? made sure people were clothed? and made sure they had food on their table, and had no debts?
To me, this is the way in which the churches should be.
How then did these people pay their ten percent, if they were giving 100 percent?
Does the church look after you in your old age? clothe you? feed you?
Will christ reject those who cast out demons in his name, because you never fed, clothed, and visited him in prison?

Tithing, is what the jews did.
Are we not under a new covanent?
Do we not have grace, and are all the laws done away with or not (with acception to the laws of God)?
'Render unto ceasar what is ceasars and render unto me what is mine.' - Jesus

Should we not pay off our 'debts' and taxes to ceasar, and give Jesus what is his?
What is his?
Our lives?
Devotion?
spreading salvation?
missions?
Do you think God needs your money?

i think there is a whole other side to this, than complaining about money.
I dont think God really cares about our money.
He cares about our service however.

Giving tithe, and attending service is questionable.
No fruits.
Unless you serve, you are not honouring God and through service, you will give to him what is his.
As when you are in ministry, your pocket goes with you.
The church, and us would be more prosperous. in all forms.
not only in 'finance'

This tithe and recieve business is also a 1st world doctrine, try teach it to those suffereing from malnutritian in darfur.
The children working in factories in pakistan, to support their families.

Where is your tithe going?
the latest version of photoshop?

I can promise you, God did not intend this.
This is a selfish thing.
Think about this all logically, you cannot fault this.
Wake up.

can tithes be given to the poor in lieu of paying to a church?

FMF - christians who believe in tithing are probably no worse at demonstrating the validity of tithing through their giving than christians are at proving out any of their other beliefs through behavior. We should all advocate what is moral and we will all fall short of true morality (we will all sin). http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=139
Reference: Romans 3:23

New testament believers are supposed to give to support the ministry, support one another in our needs, and to help out the poor and needy. If we are led by the Spirit as opposed to coerced by legalism, our lives will reflect this. However, only God knows the heart and therefore the intentions behind someone's modern "tithe" or behind another's free will giving. Note that in 1 Cor. 16 that Paul did say to give in accordance with how much one makes, but did not say to give a tithe or to give 10%. Also I thought that this was a particularly good blog entry about the purpose of the collection in 1 Cr 16. http://www.sammarsh.net/?p=638
References: (1 Cor 9: 6,11,14; 2 Cor 8:13-15; 1 Cor. 16:102)

"The" tithe is currently impossible for anyone to give. Tithes were collected by the Levites because they did not earn a living - they served the kohanim (priests). (Num 18) New testament believers belong to the priesthood of believers with Jesus as the high priest. There is no longer an old testament priesthood (kohanim) or a system to support that priesthood (Levites who serve them). We are all in the priesthood.
References (1 Peter 2:9; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 7)

A tithe was also commanded as a way to fund feasts to be eaten in the community before God as a way of giving thanks (equating this to the act of funding a building where Christians can go hear the Word of God preached as a fellowship time is the s t r e t c h.) Note that people drank alcohol at these feasts. This tithe was to be used to care for the poor every third year (or alternately it's possible that a third tithe was used to care for the poor every third year.)
Reference: (Deut 14: 22-29)

Should someone pay off debt before they tithe? How about, should the church pool resources to help provide for everyone's needs & debts and then give generously as led by the Spirit? The original question assumes the church should "tithe" and it assumes that christians provide only for themselves as individuals and not collectively. It is therefore a flawed question and answering with either scenario is not supportable by scripture. The insistence that people who are not making ends meet (or just barely getting by and saddled by debt) give a legalistic 10% combined with the inaction by fellow church members to meet these people's needs is an impediment (for many) to hearing the Word of God preached and to taking part in Christian fellowship. Do you not think the church will be held accountable for this?
Reference: Acts 2:44-47

I didn't read all, but didn't notice anyone talking about the fact that so many of us are not obligated to pay the whole debt (credit cards, etc.) at once. If you can afford the minimum pymt., then you are free to tithe. No, God is not a heavenly slot machine, but the scriptures, if interpreted properly, are clear about trust in God. God wants us to be completely dependent upon Him. The more we trust, the more grace he pours out upon us. For those who think it is easy to give money and not time, you may not know that when my husband and I give to a homeless shelter for troubled or runnaway teens, our family of 7 is not going on vacation. How about a new van? Are we going to wait on the Government to save us all from recession or can we hope to help each other in these times. How good it feels to take the edge off of someone elses suffering. Since we got honest with ourselves about real needs, and we started to tithe fully, we have gone from 47,000. in credit card debt to 27,000 in less than a year. Money keeps coming in lumps. I got on this site because we are poss. in need of a new van and starting to sink a bit as Peter did while walking on water toward Jesus. Now I am convinced once more in the Providence of God, as well as the obligation to steer clear from debt in the first place. Before tithing, I, not my husband, didn't seem to have the will to change my ways of overspending. Mysteriously, I have a new strength to do the right thing. We can blame Washington for overspending, but truth is is that so many of us have contributed to the financial mess too. Only God can pull us out of this recession...if only we ask and do what he tells us. God Bless.

The posts here are interesting. They only further reveal the fact that there is something mysterious about how God works. We can never claim to understand God fully.

Here is the problem I have with a violent adherence to tithing while being unable to get out of debt: if you are in debt you are being poor stewards of what God has given you, and if you don't correct the situation, you will become a large burden on others in the future (family, government, etc.)

Tithing is also not about a monthly, weekly, or daily 'fee.' It is about giving the best of what God has given you back to God. It is about gratitude, and about selflessness. (In contrast, excessive debt is often caused by selfishness.) Tithing relates to time, talent and treasure, not just treasure. So if you are financially in debt, I think you should shift your tithe to time and talent while you lose your debt, and then - once you are financially stable and being a good steward of all you have - then you can reintroduce financial tithing.

Or, lower your financial tithe for awhile while you improve your situation, and increase time and talent contributions.

I recently advised a family member to write up a 'deferred payment plan' for his tithing because he was in terrible debt and about to lose his house. If you are making a $300 tithe each month and NOT making your $500 mortgage payment, then you are risking the lives and safety of your wife and family and NOT being a good steward at all. I told him to donate $200 of time and talent each month, and then write a list of the $100 he owes each month. If he follows his plan he will be out of debt within a year and can then pay off the financial portion.

I fully believe in tithing - and I believe in going beyond 10% to give as much as we can. But I also believe we need to be good stewards first and foremost of the gifts we are given, be they spouses, children, or material comforts.

I totally agree with putting the tithe first above all else. I too have been in a position where I was forced to choose between a bill and the tithe and thru many a hard lesson I've realized that I CAN'T afford NOT to tithe. Everything just works out better financially, physically and spiritually when I do. God is true to His promises!!!

FMF:

I find it interesting that you refuse to engage those who are calling on you to explain why you are taking the versus out of context, instead referring them to the articles in which you took the scriptures out of context in the first place.

What is your biblical training? I ask because I see signs of very serious hermeneutical errors in your biblical interpretation. Including:

1. Interpreting Proverbs as a command or even a promise. Proverbs are poetry, and they convey general principles and wisdom and they paint with a broad brush.

2. Not understanding the difference between a Promissory Covenent (such as the Abrahamic Covenant and Davidic Covenent), and an administrative Covenant (such as the Mosaic Covenant and New Covenant). The Promissory Covenants are everlasting, but the adminstrative covenants can be replaced - i.e. the Mosaic Law has been replaced with the new Covenant (see Jeremiah 31:31-36), which Jesus inaugurated at the last Supper(Matthew 26:27-29).

3. Not being familiar with what the tithe was in the OT - the tithe was the 10% given from the increase in the lands - it was basically grain. It is not the same as the first fruits, and first born offerings, which had nothing to do with a percentage of anything. It was they act of acknowledging that verything we have, we owe to God, therefore we give him something of value from it (a small token of the best that we have or what we value).

I don't have time to go into more, but many points have been raised by others regarding the fact that the command to tithing puts the new testament Christian under law instead of under grace which is precisely what Paul preaches against in many of his letters, most notably Galatians.

FMF, I respect your knowledge and expertise in matters of money. But when you speak as an authority on matters related to scripture, please understand how serious of a matter this is to God. We are to rightly divide the Word of God, and in my opinion, you haven't shown that you are qualified to do that. Please don't take this as a personal insult, because I do want to encourage what you are doing here in terms of helping people sort through their finances, and I sincerely hope God continues to bless you in that endeavor.

Tim --

1. I'm sure you realize that scholars and other highly educated people disagree on this subject, correct? To imply that you are absolutely right and that I am wrong (and insulting me along the way to boot) displays an ignorance of this basic fact and is poor form IMO.

2. Here's what happens:

I write a post.

3 1/2 years later, someone like yourself, never before heard from on this blog (maybe you're a long-time reader, but I don't ever remember seeing a comment from you) stumbles along and comments that they "find it interesting that you refuse to engage those who are calling on you to explain why you are taking the versus out of context." Have you read all the other posts I have on the topic before and since? No, of course not. I suggest you do that before you leave a comment that's really off topic (this is about tithing versus paying off debt.)

3. I generally do not "engage" in posts after several years. I've written 6,000 posts or so since that time and if I engage on every one, then I'd never post again.

If you look at ALL of what the Bible says about tithing, it's clear that we're not just supposed to 'give' 10% to "the Lord" or to the church. See Deuteronomy chapters 14 and 26, for example. We're supposed to dedicate firtfruits and the tithe to the Lord. We're supposed to enjoy or "eat" some of our tithes "in the presense of the Lord", in thankful celebration. We're also supposed to use our tithes to support our spiritual leaders and to help those in need within our communities.

The bad news, for some of us, is that we don't just get to give 10% to the church and we're done with it. The worse news, for some of our spiritual teachers and leaders, is that they're not actually entitled to receive and control the entire tithe.

The good news for everyone is that God does want us to enjoy a portion of the very first and very best of what he blesses us with. He just wants us to draw close to him in doing so, with a thankful, obedient, and generous heart.

If I go to church and remember that I didnt bring my tithe and I say to my brother let me borrow a hundred dollars to pay my tithe. Is that wrong? I think so also if I borrow money because im not makeing enough to pay my bills is that cociderd an increse i dont think so in this society we live off a system of credit if you are in dept there is no increase until you pay your dept.

oh yeah i forgot money is dept if we used all the money that was in circulation to pay our dept there would be no paper money left and we would still be in dept.

We live in a world where personal wealth has been been built largely by taking advantage of easy credit available and enjoying the 'growth' in house prices etc that run off the back of easy credit/debt. Where Christians have involved themselves in taking on debt, they have ignored clear Biblical guidelines about not borrowing, owing no man anything, the borrower being servant to the lender, etc. I say this to make this point...if you can't tithe because of your debt obligations, be it a house mortgage or whatever, the devil has you ensared. God is gracious, repent and acknowledge that you have become led astray by the ways of the world and the sin of debt, re-commit to tithing whatever the cost and trust God to lead you out of debt. Commit never to go back into debt again. Our hearts can easily be deceived so be careful if you test the legitimacy of tithing by how you feel, rather go to God's Word and build your conviction ftom there. 10% is just the start...get a new mindset and get excited about the time when you can live off the 10% and tithe 90%. You can't out-give God and tithing is a powerful way of living by faith and also breaking the love of money in your life and also allowing God to prosper you. Debt is a short-cut that circumvents the need for God and is a sure way to end up in the devil's snare. I have experienced God's goodness in this area and I encourage you to get real with Him about your finances, repent for your disobedience in the area of debt, and then journal as he leads you out into green pastures. God bless.

It comes down to a simple question......
Who do you TRULY trust with your life?!? God is not looking for your money but your obedience and your faith. God's Word says He is to get the first fruits....not the after thoughts and He will provide all needs (not wants, desires or vacations but needs). Trust in the Lord and He will provide the way to pay your bills with what is left. It is the only concept in the Bible that the Lord challenges us to test Him on.

Sorry for all you naysayers. The bible says he will store up the wealth of the wicked for the righteous.

There's way too many testimonials for financial blessing than the other way around - and as for growing "OUT OF CHRISTIANITY" - you are confessing being a back-slider. What why you do that on open internet? And have you found a new way to get the "UNIVERSE" to respond to your every need?
Give me a break.

I know this is an old post, but I question whether it is just to consider your income your own if you owe it to someone. I think it is dependent on the terms of the loan. For instance, if I have a 30 year mortgage, that's an agreement to pay a debt over 30 years, so I don't feel compelled to overpay before tithing. But if I borrow $1000 from my brother with the expectation I will pay him back with the first $1000 i get, then don't I owe that to my brother? All assets belong to God, but the asset's I borrow are under the stewardship of another, and you deny them their responsibility to choose it's path by tithing it. That being said, i still tithe after tax, but before all else.

It is a breach of contract if you are late in paying back borrowed money and morally wrong. Surely, you should pay your overdue debts before making tithes as otherwise you are giving that which is not yours to give.
Debt itself is not sinful, if properly managed and repayment is not overdue.

Wow, I've never actually met anyone else who sees this as clearly as I do! Thank you for sharing this.

Great advice! This is where I have an issue with Dave Ramsey as well. I hear him tell people on his radio show "God doesn't need your money". This is true, but he does need our faith and obedience to what He has asked of us.

# Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today.

# Only food products from the land were tithable.

# Money was never a titheable commodity.

# Christian converts were never asked to tithe anything to the Church.

# Tithing in the Church first appears centuries after completion of the Bible.

Posted by: Robert | May 30, 2007 at 09:02 AM

Forgot these 2:

# Abraham never tithed on his own personal property or livestock.

# Jacob wouldn’t tithe until God blessed him first.

Would you send your link to these responses. It would be great if you posted the responses to these right here. It would be most helpful, since these responses are right from the bible and there should be no contradiction.

Tracy --

It's been almost five years since this was posted and we've discussed the topic several times since then. If you'd like to see my thoughts on the various issues, the best way is to go to my "The Bible and Money" category and read through the tithing-related posts.

You can start here:

http://www.freemoneyfinance.com/the_bible_and_money/

I've always applied this principal ever since I became a Christian. Even in the hard times like I'm going through now I tithe. I always seem to have the money to pay off my debts. Also it's my understanding we should also be tithing our time besides our money. Really it comes down to the fact that tithing brings in the whole aspect of giving. It challenges your attitute of holding onto the little you have. It's also taught me that God is our source and not our jobs. God can provide in amazing ways, from items you need been hughly discounted at the right time to money just coming in through the post. How can money have a hold on us when we give. Of course God also expects us to be good stuarts of the 90% we do end up with. Is he really going to bless us if we squander it on things we don't need. I've had no permanent job for 5 months because I was made redundant. I've tithed and so far the money has come in every month to cover my mortgages and other obligations. I have $15 in the bank at present. The bibles says that he provides milk and honey. Sometimes God withdraws the honey (for our wants), but he always provides the milk (for our needs)

Thank you

The book of Malachi was aimed directly at the chief priests who were taking the good fine offerings of the people and selling them to line their own pockets whilst replaceing them with blind, lame and sick animals to make the sacrifices with. at no point does Malachi address the common people. the priests were treating God with utter contempt in their actions and it was this the Lord was eager to correct with his words of rebuke, and then encouragement to repent and stop ripping of both him and the whole nation. As Jesus became the sacrifice for our sins, we no longer have to DO anything in order to win the love and blessings of God. Abraham was blessed and rich long before he ever gave a tithe, and that tithe was a voluntary one and then only take from the spoils of war and not from his own personal wealth. The obligations we have are to love... this love will cause us to take care of our families and to share our wealth with those who are struggling or poor. If anything, the person who asked for advise should be supported and helped out of their present situation by - THE CHURCH - the people who call themselves Christians yet still manage to prize what little there is to pay bills with, in order to line the bulging pockets of the already wealthy church! STOREHOUSE... a place where those who were struggling could go and find provision that they did not need to go hungry - every 3rd year that was where the jewish tithe went. year 7 there was not tithe - in fact God COMMANDED them to not tithe so that the land could rest... It is important if you are going to live under a long since crucified jewish LAW, that you read what it was all about. there was no instruction to carpenters, doctors, weavers, etc etc etc to pay a tithe... only to those who grew crops on the land within Isreal or who raised cattle on that land. the tithe was taken to the place GOD chose and there they were commanded to EAT their tithe and celebrate before HIM. what was left went to the levites and a tenth of that to the priests... the same priest who God was giving a dressing down to in Mal 3... the same Mal 3 that has been twisted and abused in order to rob the people in the modern age, the age where we have no need to bribe God to bless us... maddens me. those with a giving and loving heart have that squoze out of them by legalism... please please please know you are free to give according to what you what you determine in your heart. Perhaps we should sacrifice a few bulls as well if we are going to return to the LAW to be sure God will bless us????

You are in fact, a fool The Bible does also say all sins are the same. So if this person and you TRULY believe in your God, you would know that no amount of tithing can make up for UNFORGIVEN sins this person may have or is still committing. How foolish the man who builds his house upon the sand. Sure, lose your home, but give to a god, and he will reward you many times over.
The bible tells you not to "Test" god So what the hell are you doing by not paying your bills and expecting him to find a way to cover the shortages.
You should be arrested as the charlatan and fraud you are. Despicable advice. Atrocious.
Scott Baumann BOISE IDAHO write me all who want to tell me how wrong I am

The tithe was OT Law of agriculteral produce 'of increase' from the work of God not mans Labour. The tithe was to maintain the levical priesthood which ceased 70AD when the Temple was destroyed. Our High Priest is Jesus Christ and us as members of a Royal priesthood- note Priests Do NOT pay tithes ( they recvive them !!). Tiithes were also comsumed by the people and collected FOR THE POOR. THE POOR those scrapping by do not pay tithes if yopu are willing to still be u8nder OT Law and not grace offerings, bearing in mind obey one Law be judged by the Law. In fact the personjs Chruch shopuld be standing alongside this person in debt to see how they can help- and meet6 their needs as should those of His famuily in Christ. Jesus never paid tithes, Tithes are a daeth Tax and if anyone is in a hurry to Die under Law, having rejected Grace, I suggest they re-examine their Bible and stop listening to lies originating with Rome in about 750 AQD before which the tithe was not taught or paid.
So guilty conscieces about nothjinmg but the weay of Death..' Corban' is a nice word, a man that does no0t provide for members of Hi9sd own g family, denys thye faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Sounds like people first, God second to me and the Bible.

Thanks. I'm even a minister's wife and I've been struggling this same way. I really needed your answer today; I guess my faith has just been so low lately. thanks

OKAY HERE GOES, I HAVE BEEN A TITHER FOR 5 YEARS, LAST SUNDAY I WAS CHASTISE AND STARED DOWN, BY MY PASTOR, FOR SEVERAL MINUTES, I WAS GETTING UPSET, AND HE LAUGHED ABD TOLD ME "U HAVE A ANGER PROBLEM" YES! YOU JUST BULLIED ME AND MY HUBBY, BECAUSE I DID NOT GIVE THIS MONTH. IF I HAD IT WOULD OF BEEN MY FOOD AND GAS MONEY. I AM ALREADY STRUGGLING ON ONE INCOME SINCE I AM FILING FOR DISABILITY. WE HAVE NO MONEY TO GIVE SIR AND IF AND WHEN WE DO HAVE EXTRA, WE GIVE! IF I HAD GIVEN THIS MONTH, I COULD NOT PAY MY BILLS OR EAT. I ALREADY HAVE EATING ISSUES, LOST 75 POUNDS, WAS A 16 NOW I AM A SIZE 4, I AM FREEZING AND HUNGRY.( WE HAD CHURCH IN MY HOUSE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, NO HELP WITH PGE 600.00 WHEN WE ASK FOR HELP, IT WAS NO! SO THEY MOVED ON TO THE NEXT HOUSE TO PREACH!!! OMG I NEED SOME HELP HERE, FEELING CONFUSED!

To [email protected] OMG! yeah, I've experienced/know your situation ohhh so very well!!! Ok, first thing you need to do is LEAVE THAT CHURCH! It's obviously motivated my MONEY, manipulation, and control not LOVE...I just left a ministry that made you feel bad or obligated to give even if that meant sacrificing your OWN well being. I USED to be an avid tithe, offering and sacrificial offering giver. But after several evictions, repos, and being homeless...I FINALLY woke up! God is my SOURCE and he provides us with a RE-SOURCE our jobs! God provides for US thru our resource he's not going to rain money down from heaven. yes! I do believe in financial miracles and unexpected gifts. I just haven't received one yet...somethings happen for us to WAKE UP!!!! AND USE COMMON SENSE! I had to think about it...(scenario) I have money thru my resource that God(source) has provided to pay my rent, and I give 10% of that to the church and hope and pray God gives it back?!?!? and when he doesn't and I get evicted did God fail? No! God expects you to TAKE CARE OF YOU! thru that which he(source) has provided. My financial situation has NOT changed for the better or worse when I DO or DON'T have money to Tithe. I know, the bible says "I'm cursed with a curse when I don't give.." but I LOST EVERYTHING when I did!!!....Now, financially things are not perfect! But I've been able to maintain and when I can give I give.

Malachi 3:9 You are under a curse--the whole nation of you--because you are robbing me. Gal 3:13 But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Romans 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. Galatians 3:25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. Galatians 3:11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." Romans 1:17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

I see value in giving when one is in a place of need only if it is grounded in faith and not in works or because it is expected. And NOT because the law of Moses says to do so. If one person says to God "I have only twenty dollars and I need $200 to pay my debts I am going to give this twenty asking you God to give me the rest that I need." The value of this kind of generosity is that it is recognizing our utter dependence on God. It also is not denying the need to pay our debts. But this is not all. We must evidence belief that God will answer so the next thing to do is to work our buts off like a farmer who is expecting rain sent from God to bless his labors.

paying the tithes gives you your personal testimone, if you are a christian why not test him as he said in the bible. i was not paying my tithes but from this month im going to test God and see if he wont hounor his words. he is the wonderful and faithful God. Amen

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