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November 16, 2006

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A 49-year-old co-worked bragged recently that she was in great shape for retirement--$60,000 in the bank.

I would more likely stake my claim on the existence of aliens among us than I would count on social security for retirement.

(not that I believe aliens are among us or anything like that.... just sayin')

There is always the lottery I guess. I'm glad I'm having this beaten into my head now, still a little later than ideal, instead of 15 years from now.

It takes a lot for some of us to stop and realize that the government isn't going to provide for us like it perhaps did for the earlier generation.

Even if nothing is done to Social Security you will still be able to collect 2/3s of projected benefits. Forever (or at least while you are living). That is not a small amount. It is certainly larger than most peoples savings. I would be more worried if I worked for government since those promises may or may not be backed just as it is for most defined benefit plans.

"Even if nothing is done to Social Security you will still be able to collect 2/3s of projected benefits. Forever (or at least while you are living). That is not a small amount."

You're kidding, right? The average retiree will collect $9,948 in "benefits" in 2006. That's below the poverty line. That's pathetic. That's downright criminal when you consider how much better off our retirees would be if they had been able to invest their FICA dollars.

What's worse is that we now pay far more of our hard-earned dollars to FICA than today's retirees ever did. And you're telling me that I should be grateful that I'll be getting 2/3 of the benefit?

When are people going to wake up and realize that Social Security is the biggest rip-off ever perpetrated against the American people? The middle class, in particular, has been screwed coming and going. They've seen their FICA rates go up and their "benefits" go down. Every single worker would be far better off if they could take their FICA dollars and invest them, privately.

Social Security isn't a retirement plan, it's wealth redistribution. If people stop looking at Social Security as something that's supposed to benefit the persons who pay into the program (it's not), they may be more inclined to start thinking about their own future.

Flexo, you claim that Social Security isn't supposed to benefit the people who pay in to it. If that's true, then whom is it supposed to benefit? You don't qualify for Social Security unless you pay in to the system. In addition, your "benefit" is computed based on how much you paid in to the system.

It is a benefit indexed for inflation, something not even most private plans offer, and you will be collecting that benefit for longer than ever before. I agree 2/3s of a small benefit is small, but that 2/3s will still be more than the benefits paid today due to wage indexation of contributions. It is too small, too small to cut further. One needs a diversified portfolio of income and Social Security can be a very valuable part of that. The return isn't great, only about the return on bonds, but it isn't nearly as heavily taxed. In addition to retirement benefits it also offers disability and survivorship benefits. Try buying anything equivalent in the private market and you would soon find out what a bargain it is. If Social Security is all you planning on then it would be pathetic, but complementing it with private investments can produce a very solid plan. And $10,000 capitalized at 5% amounts to $200,000. Do you have anywhere near that much saved?

Bill W.: in a retirement plan, the amount you invest earns interest or otherwise appreciates over time. It's your money. Social Security is completely different. The money you put in isn't yours, and you're not expected to get your principal plus interest or appreciation that's due on the amount you paid.

This site explains where your money goes, and it's not necessarily to the future you.

http://tinyurl.com/yedxmm

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