Often I hear people say that they don't give to their church because they don't trust how the money is being spent, don't like the fact that the pastor drives such and such of a car, and the like. Yet they continue to go to the church. They just don't give to it. Here are my thoughts for these people:
If you don't trust your pastor with your money, you should leave the church immediately. Why? Because you're trusting him with something more important than your money -- your eternal soul. And if your pastor can't be trustworthy with something as simple as money, he certainly can't be trusted to guide you into a correct relationship with God.
So I say "get out of there!" Find a church that you think will use your money properly and will teach God's Word correctly. If you can't find any, then it's likely that the real issue isn't your lack of trust, but the fact that you're just stingy and are trying to keep the money for yourself.
A few verses to ponder that apply to this situation:
- What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? Luke 9:25 (NIV)
- Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. Luke 16:10 (NIV)
- Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 2 Corinthians 9:6 (NIV)
Such excellent advice! An up-and-coming mega-church in the midwest is under investigation by reporters (if no one inside the church) because of the pastor's lavish lifestyle and unwillingness to "open the books" for anyone. Our good friends left this church 8 years ago, because of the constant emphasis on money and possessions. That's the thing: If the pastor can't be trusted with my money, there will also necessarily be unbalanced teaching going on. The $$$ has to come from somewhere. They have to preach about it, about the giving of it, continually.
I would RUN from a church like that. I have to be able to trust the pastor with my $$$, my spouse, and my children.
Posted by: Katy Raymond | April 01, 2007 at 08:23 AM
I'm Mormon, and while my church gets some flack for being a financial dynamo (See Time Magazine's Article "Mormon Inc.") I haven't seen many of the financial problems that many other congregations face, at least on the local level. I think two factors play a role in this. First, we have lay clergy. No one gets paid, not even our bishop. As a result, it doesn't matter how much your congregation grows and how much donations increase, the leaders aren't going to see more money in their lives because they won't even get any.
Second, tithing donations don't stay in local congregations. They're sent to Salt Lake City where they are distributed to congregations worldwide depending on need. Tithing is sort of wealth redistribution. Because North American and European members make more money than members in Latin America, Asia, and Africa, North American's and Europeans pay more tithing (We all pay 10%, but Americans' 10% is more, you get the idea). But our poorer members still get the same facilities and services that we do. Often, the facilities are much nicer than the one's in North America. At least I noticed that during my mission in Mexico. Some of the chapels there were much nicer than the ones I went to growing up.
So, on the local level there doesn't seem to be much of a problem. Every once in awhile you'll have a bishop or some other leader steal tithing money, but once they're found out, they get immediately excommunicated.
Posted by: Brett McKay | April 01, 2007 at 12:14 PM
Amen! And I feel the same way about churches where the pastor's personal life is less than Christian. IMHO, if the spiritual leader cheats on his wife, then why would I trust him to guide me on my spiritual journey?
Posted by: Ciji | April 01, 2007 at 12:57 PM
Our pastor drives a Toyota! :)
Posted by: tanyetta | April 01, 2007 at 02:26 PM
Brett- That's pretty interesting, a church that size with no lay clergy! Nice to know that your preacher's purse isn't dependent on his saying what people want to hear!
Posted by: Tom | April 01, 2007 at 03:14 PM
I'm not sure if all Methodist churches are this way or not, but our financial records are public. The only private data is the distribution of the salaries; The total of all the paychecks is public though.
The church's income, tithing, debt, etc are all on the back of each weeks bulletin.
Posted by: Austin | April 01, 2007 at 05:35 PM
It is also important not to be judgmental with those who fall short. Pray that the holy spirit convicts the dishonest pastor, but leave in peace.
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..." - Romans 3:23
Posted by: Zachary | April 02, 2007 at 02:28 AM
This is great advice, really if you can't trust them with money to the extent that you won't give them any there is something seriously wrong.
On the other hand, thats not to say that they are really great with money management and if you have a talent in that area, maybe you should be volunteering to help out.
Posted by: plonkee | April 02, 2007 at 07:33 AM
I agree with Zachary to pray for the church and the pastor.
Sometimes I think the issue of trust is just an excuse for people so they don't have to feel guilty about not tithing and giving back to God.
I'd also recommend those who have honest concerns should talk with the leadership of the church. As a member gets more involved and interested into the vision of a church, giving and tithing becomes easier because they have developed a vested interest with the church's goals.
Posted by: Savvy Steward | April 02, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Thank you. We recently left a church because of how they spent their money. Although everything was honest and open, I couldn't help but worry that they continued forward with projects that they didn't have the money for. After prayer and reflection, my husband and I decided to start over and church hunt again.
I have never been to a church that constantly asked for money as much as they did.
Posted by: Me | April 16, 2007 at 02:30 PM
What happens with the money the church collects? I know a husband and wife team they are both pasters. They both drive brand new expensive cars.She was once a paid prostitute and is a recovering addick. She lies and cheats her company. Are these the kind of people we want preaching to us and our children?
Posted by: C P | May 02, 2007 at 05:53 PM
CP -- Sounds like you need a new church.
Posted by: FMF | May 03, 2007 at 07:32 AM
We have a sall church and are truly blessed.
I am the tresurer of the church,some times my pastor borrows money for his personel use. I told him I cannot do that, because I feel guilty and it means I am not doing Gods work in a proper manner. He and his wife gets upset. I have decided know to stand up and speak for God, and will not allow that happen again. I wanted to leave the church many times, but if I leave, the people will not know whats happening. I think this is happening because we do not have any leaders in the church. I told him many times to choose leaders, he said that there are no one cable to be a leader. I don't care if I am hated by the pastor and his wife, I will make sure thinks are done right in our church. God is always directing me to do the right things he is always with me and teaching me Please give advice God Bless.
Posted by: Ronica Naidu | September 27, 2007 at 07:10 AM
Some people have different ideas about what's to much.
Personally, I think a church can collect donations for it's ministries, the lights, seats, etc. And they need to hire and pay people wages that are competitive to run things if you have a big church, like office work, maybe landscapers.
But whats to much for the pastor? A wise pastor, who is a good steward won't need much, because he will wisely use his money, invest it and grow it.
At our church, some people questioned our pastor, and he laid it out, and showed everyone, he makes 32K a year, with a wife and 4 kids. But the pastor has been wisely investing his money and living frugally for the past 12 yrs so he can enjoy more today. And it just happens that he is being rewarded at the same time the church was growing, and some people thought his income went up.
I just think of the talents, the wise man doesn't need a 600K salarly, just Gods word.
Posted by: The Manliness Evangelist | May 17, 2009 at 02:10 PM
I was talking the other day with someone that said, 'If you give just 10 percent of your income to the Church, you will be returned much more money than that.' Is this why we give to the Church? So that we can roll around in our investment returns. Seems pretty far from God's plan.
Posted by: Ares Vista | July 02, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Any pastor who drives a luxury car, wears designer clothes, or values worldly possessions is clearly not following the straight and narrow path of God, but the wide and crooked path of greed. Wake up, people! Get to know God, and give your money to the poor people who really need it. The only reason we give to the church is so they can then distribute it out as they see fit. The simple fact is, we are too lazy or too busy chasing the dollars to go out and find the people who really need it.
Posted by: | July 02, 2009 at 10:42 AM
The church I was raised in lost me as a parishner when they made the decision to cut hours for the soup kitchen (that was seeing many visitors) and yet they were still planning to move forward with new carpet (that was NOT needed- old carpet was in good condition, just ugly).
After expressing my concern about confused priorities, I was dismissed as a kid who didn't understand the way the world worked. I was told that money had been budgeted, that they had to use certain funds for certain things and that there just wasn't enough in the soup kitchen slot but they had enough in the carpet slot to continue with that project. There are so many things wrong with this line of thinking, that I could go on all day but I knew that this type of thinking was not the kind of mindset that should be teaching about the word of God.
I severed my ties with them right away.
Walking the path of Jesus is both difficult and easy. We must put what WE want aside and do for others what we can. Feeding the hungry, to me, is more important that what color the carpet is. The church is the people not the building. Once you understand what is required of you, it's easy to look at choices and know if it fits the bill. Does this help only me or does it help all people? Am I working towards a godly world or a world of pleasure and leisure for myself?
Posted by: Alison | July 20, 2009 at 03:18 PM
I like the balance in your advice. It is easy (it seems) to leave a church rather than deal with the issues that live there.
However, there are folks who will never find a church that lives up to their expectations.
Posted by: John H | July 31, 2009 at 10:51 AM