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March 27, 2008

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I'd like to see his plan for keeping nothing of value in your personal names. I hope he isn't advocating sham corporations here. The IRS is all over those and none too happy about it.

I agree with you on #5. If you marry "wisely", then you shouldn't need a pre-nup.

#7 makes me laugh so hard. Lawyers don't go around randomly suing people. They only help other people sue people.

Ha Ha. I love his idea of keeping property in corporations to avoid "the lawyers" getting them. I am involved in a bankruptcy case where the debtor did just that - transfered his home to a corporation. Then the corporation declared bankruptcy. Guess who has been evicted from their house?

#7 is the biggest load of crap. Lawyers don't sue people, people sue people. They hire lawyers to represent them after they've decided to take legal action.

Lawyers are broadly divided into two groups: litigators and transactional attorneys. The first group does help sue people, the second group (of which I am a part) typically NEVER wants anyone to sue. For example, on a real estate deal, my sole goal is to get the deal done and I want everyone to be happy and never sue each other over anything. If I don't step into a courtroom in my entire career, then I'd be a happy guy.

What you all are thinking of are slip and fall, personal injury attorneys. They're scum. But guess what, there has to be people who want to sue over those types of wrongs.

Anyway, Kiyosaki is a complete fraud anyway. Google him and you'll come up with why.

Just out of curiosity - how and why don't use you an ATM card? Does Vanguard have a branch I don't know about that you can walk into to withdraw cash?

Amy --

I take cash out maybe once a month when I'm already heading for the bank for another reason (it's on my way to/from work).

I think he's left out the biggest predator: children. Or to be more specific, parents on behalf of their children. I think American parents have absolutely gone round the bend when it comes to kids. Very few parents seem to have any ability to differentiate between what their kids need and what their kids want and what they want for their kids.

I agree with nine circles- children can be a huge expense when you're not disciple with money

"There's a big difference in taxes paid on earned income versus portfolio income versus passive income."

Christ, I wonder how many people have ended up paying who knows what in penalties because they listen to this guy's tax advice. Between this dangerous misinformation and the sham corporation advocacy that others have already pointed out, he's practically the pied piper of tax fraud.

(Just an example: there is such a thing as "passive income" in the tax code, but it's a fairly narrowly-defined category that has little or nothing to do with "passive income" as he talks about it. For example, the "passive income" of royalties on a book? Taxed as regular income.)

He is a review of Kiyosaki that makes me wary of him.

http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html

This is the way to avoid taxes: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/aug2002/bush-a01.shtml

I don't understand why his tax advices is bad? He promotes tax avoidance, not tax evasion. But, maybe I'm out of the norm here because we just paid tax penalties for paying too little during the year...and would do it again.

**COUGH, COUGH, COUGH**

You would pay tax penalties again?

I almost just spit out my soda.

Zook -
Sure. We actually owed a few thousands in taxes (plus the penalty).

Insane? Let me ask you this question. By prepaying my taxes, who's utilizing my money? The government. At the end of the day, I pay the same amount in taxes, whether I pay more during the year or owe at the end (with a possible small tax penalty). In my mind, I would rather use that money to make more money during the year and pay it at the end.

What I think is funny is that people get so excited about getting a tax return. Believe me, I was one of them. But it's YOUR money. They're just giving you back what YOU overpaid. How exciting is that?

Sow --

I was under the impression that penalties for not paying enough were so high as to make NOT pating enough a bad financial decision. Are you saying this is incorrect?

I would say it depends...on you. How comfortable are you having to pay at the end of the year instead of throughout? Will you consume it? Will you absolutely dread cutting that huge check come tax time? Do you have the knowledge and the ability to velocitize that money?

My advice would be focus first on your thoughts and ideas of paying taxes and then start looking at the different strategies.

Thats' not what I meant. I thought that the penalty was something like 3% per month (36% per year) or some outrageous number like that -- something that made EVER paying a tax penalty a bad idea.

FYI, I agree that you shouldn't get a refund, but even worse than getting one is having to pay a penalty (or such was my understanding.)

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