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April 27, 2008


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Stories like this really get me thinking about my own attitudes with money. Thanks for posting.

My husband and I had a very similar situation happen to us a few years ago. I understand that forgiving the friend is important, but it makes me sad that the friendship doesn't seem quite the same now. The element of trust has been lost, and I guess it will take a while to rebuild it....

That is very big of you and I applaud you doing what you believe to be right. I hope that person won't repeat this kind of thing!

That's why contractors keep doing that. people forgive them. He needs to be sued into extinction.

Patatrooper: Did you forget the verse mentioned in the article where Jesus told Peter to forgive his brother seventy-seven times (symbolic for an unlimited number of times)? If the contractor "keeps doing that", that transgression is between him and God. It is up to us to keep forgiving him.

I'm also reminded of the verses in 1 Corinthians 6, where we are admonished not to take our brother to court. If our brother has wronged us, it might not seem "fair" to forgive him. But we don't live on worldly terms. Life isn't fair, and it wasn't fair of Jesus to die on the cross for us. We live for a higher calling, not just to make as much money as we can here on earth, but to live for Jesus.

I have been taking a class (Faith Bible Institute.. great program I suggest your church looks into it.. Not affiliated with them, just taking it through my church. 6 semester program that takes 3 years and covers the entire Bible and many key doctrines). We just finished up Romans in our New Testament section and I think seeing this parable and Jesus' instruction to Peter is much easier now..

In Romans 6 we are told how to die to our old selves and how to be alive in Christ. I think of the verse in Gal (2:20) where Paul was talking about how he was no longer living his life himself but through Christ. I often struggle with trying to do that, trying to live through Christ. Which means I would struggle doing something like this, or doing many of the things I should do.

It actually makes a lot more sense with Romans 6. Go and read it and pick up a good commentary on it!!! It outlines a 4 step process on how to be dead to self and alive to Christ. And it can be summed as "It aint me, babe". If we have asked Christ to forgive our sins, it is already done. We are dead to our old selves (the drunk, the porn viewer, the bigot, the idolator, the easy going nice guy who tried to do good but hated the Lord, whatever the old you happens to be). When Christ was crucified, we were with him, when he was buried so was that old nature (dead and buried) when he raised from the grave, so did our new nature and not by our power but by His power.

So the steps are to Know this (Know ye..) to Count this, to truly believe it deep down inside (Reckon ye..).. Stop living the old way and start living the "new" way (Yield ye.. You know how you gave into sin? You need to be weak in that same way, but submit to God instead of sin.. See.. It isn't about strength and our strength. Our strength is non-existent with matters like this, so yield to God and let Him let you live for Him..) And finally Obey God's commands and live for him.

So I could never do this, I would want to do this, get frustrated with my inability to do and then probably at the end of the day feel alright with myself because I really wanted to and next time I will. (which means the pattern would repeat and I would be stuck in Romans 7 where Paul shows how rotten it is to be in that spot where you don't live as you want to live, or as you think you want to live and instead live for self or sin).

But you know what? The Lord can do this, the Spirit can do this and if we submit to the Holy Spirit and let Him control our lives then WE can and will do something like this or any other area where obedience is often tough. So it's not our power that let's us serve as we should but our weakness and submission that does.

you guys are wacked. just sue the bastard. jk, i think.

although this gives me hope that Christians might someday join the left and support forgiving the debt of developing nations.

I'm not religious, but I really like this story. We aren't born with anything and we don't die with anything, so as long as we're not starving, we shouldn't be so possessive and greedy with the things that we have in between.

I have a policy never to lend money, but rather to give it to my friends and let them pay it back (or pay it forward) if they have the opportunity. This builds better relationships rather than stress over who owes what, and it's payed off in much bigger ways than just financially. $20k is a lot, but if you sue, a lawyer will probably get most of it and you'll get a lot more stress.

Dear FMF

I have a doubt...I've been thinking of lending on prosper.. but I'm not sure if its biblical.. is it against Gods will to lend money?

This was the first post I read on this site. I will not be visiting this site again. I understand the importance of god and forgiving, but this response is horrible. Total crap!!

Wow. I lost about $500 to a seller on eBay and I don't think my response was as mature. Very convicting. Thanks for posting.

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