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April 23, 2009

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very true! and an old story.

"He lived comfortably on credit. Indeed who is there that walks London streets, but can point out a half-dozen of men (of credit) riding by him splendidly, while he is on foot; courted by fashion, bowed into their carriages by tradesmen, denying themselves nothing, and living on who knows what? ... How did this begin, we say, and where will it end? We see Jack Thriftless prancing in the park ... The end must come someday, but in the meantime Jack thrives as much as ever; people are glad enough to shake him by the hand, ignore the little dark stories that are whispered every now and then against him, and pronounce him a good-natured, jovial, reckless fellow."

from the book Vanity Fair (1847)

I think the main take-away of this (great) story is that it makes a big difference WHEN you start working. If you are in school/residency until you're 35 (like the doc likely was), it's very very hard to be financially stable at 40 - you've still got huge debt from med school loans, and likely have children (with their associated costs). Yes, you may make $250k, but you haven't saved ANYTHING yet, and much of your salary disapears into taxes and loans and daycare/family expenses.

It makes me sad - doctors are needed and valuable, but financially I don't think going into medicine is a wise choice anymore.

By the way, I'm an engineer, and it's a great career for earning wealth - start working at 23 earning $70k (with a master's degree paid for through TAing/research grants), able to sock away $10-$20k/yr through my twenties, max out my 401k, and buy a house. By the time I'm 35 I'll likely have a net worth of $500k, and my med school friends will juuuuuust start gaining traction.

I would almost go as far as to say that a lot of times the opposite is true......those who seem rich are in debt

The M'aire next door before my 1st M$ and the M'ind before my 2nd M$ were two of my BEST EVER reads on meoney and wealth, so I'm retired at 47 and none of my neighbors have a clue why/how/what it took to do it! (hard work, risk - I was self employed, delayed gratification w/o "extras and non necessary expenses" like NO cable tv, eating out, coffeee from home, no new fancy cars, etc..) 10-40% of my income ALWAYS socked away annually for 25+ years, work hard, pay myself first, NEVER have consumer debt, now, debt free, and 50~ years to enjoy it! Graduated w/ a BS in '82 w/ no school loans, 2 very old but, paid for cars and a job ('82 recession job market was FAR worse than today), everyone in college should work 1/2 to full-time, instead of "spring breaks and taking out large loans" for out of state schools, can't get scholarships, free aid ? Then: go to community college, or state schools! Employers want to see DRIVE and "CAN DO",I did and hired/fired more than ever post here..not school names on a diploma!

Years in school- you should be able to do much better than that. I also started working with a Masters degree in Engineering at age 23 at the princely salary of $42k per year, this is in South Bend, IN where the cost of living is low. Now at age 35 I have a NW of about $1.5M, nearly all by savings from salary. Stock market investments didn't do so hot, bought a condo for cash and am living in it and never received any gifts or inheritances. When I started at 23 I had no debt. Of course I rose through the ranks very fast and got some lucky breaks. It can be done.

-Mike

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