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May 03, 2009

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I try very hard not to work on Sunday, and try to not give businesses or others a reason to need to work on Sunday.

I do believe that providing essential services (hospital, travel care, managing machines / servers that can't be shut down, etc.) is ok on Sundays.

I also think that one of a man's highest duties is to provide for his family, even if that means working on Sunday. If I needed to work on Sunday to support them though, I would be looking for non-Sunday work and hope to be judged on the intents of my heart.


I don't think that being Christian always makes the most financial sense with the not working on Sundays and paying tithing and such, but I believe that if I do those things that the Lord will always see that my families needs are met.

Since organized religion is a sham, yes, it's ok to shop any time of the week.

cb:
You must have a broad definition of "organized religion" since FMF didn't reference any particular religion other than Christianity, which is far from organized when you look at all the different denominations with different rules and leadership.

I struggle to avoid work on Sundays. I don't usually do my regular weekday job, but it's one of my post productive days at home. Like you mentioned though, I enjoy most of the work I do on Sundays because it's still a break from the M-F, 8-5 grind.

When the Bible talks about the Sabbath day, it referrers to Saturday, not Sunday. In the Bible, Sunday is the first day of the week. Luke 23:54-56; 24:1. No, I do not think it is ok to shop on a Sabbath day. The Sabbath is a special day in which we are invited to enter into a closer union with the Master and worship Him as our Creator. Being Christian should always make the most financial sense with not working on the Sabbath and returning His tithe. We all need to rest and spend time with God and our families. Some might say that we can rest on any other day. But Jesus rested on a specific day of the week. Shouldn't we follow His example? Although all of our money belongs to God, returning His tithe (which is holy) is an acknowledgment of His ownership and it reveals that we really believe He owns all we have. I agree with Michael, when we obey Him, He will always see that our needs are met. Deuteronomy 8:17, 18; Malachi 3:8-10: Leviticus 27:30, 32; Proverbs 3:9, 10

I agree 100% with Michael. We go to great lengths to not work on Sunday and if no one shopped on Sunday, it would allow others to avoid working on Sunday as well.

Since organized religion is a sham, yes, it's ok to shop any time of the week.

Agreed.

Funny you should post this today. I was just about to go clothes shopping, since my plans got derailed yesterday (Saturday).

My religion dictates no working on Sunday to keep it holy, however I don't think of shopping for fun as work. However, my grandmother wouldn't even allow me to sew on Sundays when I was younger, since it was - to her - a form of work. To me, it was a hobby over the summer. I will never forget how frustrating it was to work all day Saturday on a project and then have to wait a whole day to start back up again.

But if you think about it, restraining ourselves from what we want or are pressured to do is the backbone for many religious beliefs. (examples: fasting, Lent) And during those times, you are supposed to remove yourself from the world just a bit to be closer to God.

I hate to work on Sunday, and am blessed that at this time, I'm on a shift that has me off on Sundays. I used to work retail, and hated it when the "blue laws" were repealed, and all retail was open.
That being said, I do shop on Sundays now (mainly groceries), but wouldn't be inconvenienced, or upset if the stores were closed.

It's not ok. If you shop out of necessity it's work and not for the Sabbath. If you shop for fun then you are worshipping a false idol rather than concentrating on your Lord.

I think that Michael has done a good job of explaining that there are some necessary services that need to operate on Sunday.

Although I have shopped, worked, and performed many activities on a Sunday that didn't bring me closer to God, there are some situations that may neccisiate such. For example, when I working my may through college, I found myself working for a company that required working a shift on Sunday. Although I had issues with this, I also knew that I needed to follow the commandment to provide for my family. Luckily, I have since held positions since that generally allow me to avoid working on the sabbath.

I think that the sabbath should be reserved as a day of rest and worshiping God. If you are performing an activity on Sunday that could have been done during the previous six days (such as shopping and working), then you really aren't resting from your labors.

If I didn't work, there would be no church. Not just me but around 100 volunteers who turn a school into our church every Sunday. Everything from pulling four, 24 foot trailers, to setting up chairs, tables and sound systems, to setting up computer check-in stations for our child security system. Is it work..... yes, but it is, more importantly, serving God. Every church has many volunteers who "work" on Sundays to bring the gospel to those unsaved people who walk through our doors.

"I work for the Lord, the pay isn't great but the retirement plan is out of this world"

Who is to say that shopping constitutes "work"? Honestly, a lot of you sound like the Pharisees of Jesus' day.

It is no wonder people like cb think organized religion is a sham.

"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ" -- Col 2:16-17

If you go shopping (to a store) your requiring that someone else has to work and therefore probably was unable to go to church and to spend the Sabbath worshipping God. Some people take it to the extent that there is absolutely no monetary transactions but I'm fine using a vending machine, filling up using pay at the pump or nabbing something quick online since that to me is the equivalent of checking email.

I have no issues with fireman, police officers, hospitals being open on Sunday because disasters don't take a day of rest but does Wal-mart really need to force people to work on the Sabbath?

http://www.saveoursundays.ca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHhDLGJaBlM

Sunday should be a day with the family!! Is this the 21st Century?? Are we going to keep catering to big business? When are our politicians going to have the balls to stand up and pass Sunday laws? Time to protest !!

Was man made for the Sabbath or was the Sabbath made for man?

Tony --

Sunday laws would be a little insulting, since we aren't a theocracy last I checked.

As a free country, we support a diversity of belief sets, and we shouldn't give preference to one over the other. If our shops closed on the holidays of all the mainline religious, we could only shop Monday through Thursday!

There is no reason to impose your beliefs on others: just don't shop on Sunday!

The world doesn't revolve around Christians. If you don't want to work/shop on Sunday that's fine, but we non-Christians don't want to live in a world where all but the most essential services shut down one day a week.

I'm a Christian, but Sunday IS my shopping day. Don't ask me why. It is programmed thus.

I remember the days before Sunday shopping and it was hell! (sorry)
I like having that extra day to get my errands done.
I can't imagine if we all had to shop on Saturday!
The stores would be packed.

Re: Sunday Shopping / working.

If we are following the Bible to the letter, than it would be ok to shop on Sundays, since Sunday is the first day of the week. Just look at any Calendar, they all start the week with Sunday, (except in Europe, where Sunday is the last day of the week). Then of course, why are we worshipping on a "pagan day" (Sun day, the day they worshipped the Sun God).

It begs the question (for Bible believing Christians), why not be consistent, and don't work or shop on the Sabbath? Today, the majority of Church going Christians violate God's laws in Shopping on the Sabbath, and Worshipping on the first day of the week, a pagan worship day. Aren't Christians supposed to be (only) in this world, but not of this world.

The "custom" of Christian businesses not being open on Sundays arose in Victorian England---no, it does not date from the time of Christ!

Sunday was the only "day off" in those Victorian days for the household servants. The problem was that the servants were going out to bars and theaters on their day off and getting really rowdy, and also it was a problem that no one stayed at home to tend to the needs of the rich house owners--not even to bring them a cold supper!

Thus, it was decreed that Sunday, being so holy, was naturally too holy a day for the servants to have fun. So everything they enjoyed started being closed on Sundays: no carnivals, no shopping, no movies, no amusements--nothing for the servant classes.

Of course, Sunday was still the only day the servants had "off", but now all they could do was go to church or maybe for a stroll in the park and then come back home and sit around doing sewing and other "Godly" activities. And all was right with the world, since the servants stayed at home to wait on the wealthy people!

Having recently moved to the Midwest, I was astonished at all the "never on Sunday" blue laws! I find it extremely strange that stores would damage their bottom line so much by being closed on 1 out of the only 2 days a week that most people have free to do any shopping. As a consumer, I need time to comparison shop, but due to these bizarre laws basically I have to take time off work if I want to look for a new car or anything major.

I find the whole idea frustrating and irritating. And ridiculous, since so many people justify it by quoting a Jewish law (which Christians are supposed to be relieved from following), and the Jewish law refers to another day of the week entirely (Saturday)! What's next, not eating bacon? That's in the Bible, too, you know!

I've been a devout evangelical Christian my whole life, and I can tell you that on the west coast nobody has even heard of such a thing. As if living a Christian life meant nothing more than just sitting at home on Sundays!

Since the real sabbath day is on Saturday, I think the question is flawed.

I mostly love the idea of setting aside a day of the week where you don't spend money. If you're a recovering shopaholic, it helps!

Other than the occasional emergency grocery trip, the only money we spend on Sundays are periodic post-church lunches. Since we're trying to cut down on spending, maybe leaving these out of our Sunday routine would be better in both ways.

I definitely agree that businesses shouldn't be encouraged to open on Sunday morning; I know many people who are too poor to refuse the hours, but would give almost anything to be able to go to church instead. As a poster said above, providing for your family is very important, too.

There are alternatives, though. Some churches have services at odd hours, and almost all have Sunday evening services. There's sermonaudio.com for recorded sermons, but you lose the fellowship side of it. Maybe getting together with family or even like-minded neighbors would work!

The question certainly is flawed. No matter how you slice it or dice it God's law cannot be changed by mere mortals. His Seventh Day Sabbath was instituted during creation week and made Holy at the time HE made it. We can't just unmake (holy) something and make it something else based on OUR misunderstanding of the Scriptures. No, it (the Seventh Day) was made Holy at the beginning and it will be so into Eternity, no matter how hard man tries to change it. We are warned about this ahead of time. "He will speak against the Most High and think (try) to change the set times and laws. Dan.7:25
God winks at our ignorance (Acts 17:30) if we are taught wrongly, but it's another ball game if we willingly reject the truth.

I agree with John. It's absurd to think that you can just change God's Sabbath with a TWISTING of the Scriptures. Those of you who teach that God's Commandments are not binding for God's people are going to have to face God about that. And those of you who are taking the word of mere man for what the truth is are also going to have to face God someday. Jesus said, "If you LOVE Me,keep My Commandments", and then along comes someone that says, "no,we can do whatever we want". You must listen to the warning that you should obey God, rather than men. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29 If you don't, you have no one to blame but yourself. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: (ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?) but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19 "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:9 The day is coming when people will realize that they are are slaves to whomever they obey. www.loudcrymusic.net Check it out! "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" Romans 6:16 God Bless you.

A little further down in the same chapter...

"An altar of earth you shall make for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I cause my name to be remembered I will come to you and bless you." Ex20:24

It didn't make the top ten list, but it still appears to be a law given by God. If Jesus died so we didn't have to sacrifice sheep anymore, why do we still have to sacrifice Sunday? Didn't Jesus make laws of the old testament obsolete? What have we got... salvation, or religion?

Ross,

All the sacrifices of the Old Testament anticipated God's ultimate sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for the sins of the world. Once Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice, the sacrifices of the OT were pointless. The laws of the OT that you are referring to are part of the Mosaic Law, not the Ten Commandments. In Matthew 5:17 Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." After the week of creation, even God rested on the Sabbath day from His work. Did He really get tired? The true Sabbath (Saturday and not Sunday which is a false sabbath) is a sign between God and His people (Eze. 20:12) and just as God made the Sabbath holy by placing His presence in it, He will also make His people holy by placing His own character in them.

Sunday is not the Sabbath so, it is fine to work and to shop and do whatever you need to take care of on Sunday just like any other day.

The Bible says that the Seventh Day is the Sabbath. The Seventh Day is not Sunday. The Seventh Day is Saturday. Ask any Jew they were among the first to keep the Bible Sabbath.

The Sabbath cannot be changed by anyone.

God wrote His commandments with His finger and only His finger could ever erase it. God has not changed His law or His requirement for those who choose to follow Him to keep His laws.

Keep the Sabbath because you love God.

If you are not sure which day is truly the Sabbath pray and ask God Himself to show you and then go and look for the truth as it is out there.

You can also check out this website for more information about the true Bible Sabbath: http://sabbathtruth.com/

Be as the Bereans and search the scriptures diligently and prayerfully and you will find out the truth.

If you get dressed, eat breakfast, and drive to church on Sunday then you're worshiping a false idol instead of your Lord.

I don't believe that, but at least I gave as much argument for it as Michael did for his claim, i.e. none.

Sorry, I meant Joel. A bit distracted by a baby at the moment. But then that's what I get for being concerned about my child when there's a spiritual issue at stake here. I should stop worshiping such idols.

I'm a Seventh Day Adventist. As someone has helpfully pointed out, Saturday is actually the Sabbath and it goes from Sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday.

Someone has mentioned above that Christ's coming effectively breaks us free from the Sabbath as he breaks the sacrificing tradition. The sacrificing argument is more convincing but since the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments it's part of something immutable.

As Christ said that we should love our God with all our heart, and then love our neighbor as ourselves. Loving our God with all our hearts mean we should do our very best to observe His Ten Commandments, not in a legalistic way, but from our love toward Him and from our appreciation of His blessings and from our hope of future salvation.

Plus, taking a day off from the daily grind is very nice :)

Sunday Keeping is the Mark of the Authority of Man....Not from God...
Sunday Observance is the Mark of the Beast in the Revelation 13:11 - 18
This is the warning from the third angel's message in Rev. 14:9 to 11.."And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever, and they have no rest day or night.
Saturday is the true Sabbath in the 10commandments...choose you today...the lie or the truth, the true Sabbath (Saturday) or the false sabbath (Sunday) the mark of the Beast.

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