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March 08, 2011

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That's why I'm planning to go back home - Hong Kong!

My husband is an American and he is an English teacher with a Master degree in English. Sad to see the fact that US government has been cutting budget on education. In the past four years, he couldn't find a full-time teaching job. Right now, he is making about $1,050 after tax every month from a part-time teaching job, although doing a full-time workload.

I just asked information yesterday from an expat who was living in Hong Kong doing teaching. He told me that he could arrange a teaching job for my husband very quickly in a kindergarten, paying HK$20,000 a month (US$2,564). Even better is you will get every single penny without deduct any withholding or medicare!!

My husband also qualifies to be an English Instructor in university level. In addition to the monthly salary up to almost US$4,000, schools usually offer housing allowance as well. Suddenly you see all opportunities over there.

No sales tax, no medical insurance is needed, no car is needed, lower living expense, and like Mike Hunt said that probably we don't need to pay any tax to US with our annual income. I believe we can even get a better saving over there!

The analysis on US income tax and SS tax isn't entirely correct. There are a few other caveats involved in order for one's overall tax burden to be less than it would be in the USA. In many cases it will be true but very, very important to sort this out with an experienced accountant before assuming otherwise.

Bruce,

What you say is somewhat true. Remember total USA tax burden= Federal + State + FICA + Medicare + local taxes. To not have any more State and local tax liability you need to show proof of residence in another country, you may also need to show that you do not have a home in the old state of residence. Of course if you are in a state with no income tax (FL, TX, ND, WA, AK, etc) then this will be less of an issue.

Once moving overseas there is no FICA withholding, however you will not be increasing your FICA benefit as well.

Negative sides to living overseas is that there is no 401k deduction unless it's a US based company overseas who has this already set up.

And for sure, your federal tax liability goes down as you don't have to pay taxes on the first $86k of income. Believe this number can be doubled if there are two people in the family working and filing is done as married filing separately.

Complicated, but worth looking into.

-Mike

Mike - your experience sounds very similar to mine. I worked for a Big 4 firm in western Europe from Oct. '08 (not a great time to move to a financial center) until July '10. Your summary is very good, but I would like to add to a few points so people do not minimize them.

1. Home office support - this does not just include performing your job, but for your benefits as well. Living overseas can be hard, and having your supposed support not helping can be an added strain. Working for a Big 4 firm where clients often come before all else I expected the same type of response from my home office "support" staff. However, I found it very difficult to even get an e-mail response from the very people who were supposed to be helping us with benefits questions (my paycheck was totally screwed up for my first 4 months). When going on assignment, make sure you have a designated contact person that can be relied upon to crack the proverbial whip when necessary to get you what you need.

2. Be careful how you define tax "expert" - as part of our assignment (my wife worked for the same firm) our US and local taxes were prepared by the firm. Being a tax accountant, I know a little something about taxes, but the expat rules can be very cumbersome and confusing and I had zero experience in them prior to my assignment. That said, I learned the rules and went over our taxes line by line and found thousands of dollars in errors and actually had to fight with our US preparer on a few positions on our return. In the end I had to have this person removed from our account because she spent more time trying to prove me wrong than to come to the correct answer (I had several work colleagues that were experts in expat taxes confirming my positions).

3. Foreign tax credits (FTC) are pretty much worthless once you return to the US - if you end up carrying over FTCs once you return, it will not be easy to use them unless you have a good deal of foreign investment income (e.g. dividends from foreign companies) because only foreign income can offset FTCs, although the country of origin does not matter as long as it is non-US.

Thanks again Mike for the summary. Wish you would have written this in the summer of 2008 because I could have used it then.

You do still have to pay social security taxes if you are not in a country that holds a Social Security Tax Exemption treaty with the U.S.

As noted above, don't underestimate the difficulties of living overseas, especially for non-working spouses, and especially if not much English is spoken locally. Imagine going to a gyneacologist with a translator tagging along and you'll get the picture. Or staring at the shelf in a grocery store and not recognizing a single word.

Having said that, it is often a very good deal financially. I made more money in 5 years overseas than in 15 prior to that, similar to the author. And my investments increased from $1 million to $3 million as well. Company-paid housing, medical, transport, schooling, etc. all contributed to that.

Some of the questions (e.g. performance measurement) suggested in the original posting apply to any job, not just foreign. This depends very much on the company. A true multi-national may use the exact same systems and processes as they do in the US. For me, that was definitely the case.

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