The following is a guest post from Lance at Money Life and More.
I read a LOT of financial news and personal finance blogs. Normally they have a lot of similar view points. Lately I have noticed one thing that the mass media and personal finance blogs seem to differ on. In regards to retirement, the media focuses on fear mongering and stating that you will never be able to retire while personal finance bloggers seem to focus on how you can set yourself up to be able to retire comfortably in the future.
So What Brought This To My Attention?
I recently read an article on MSN titled "Six Reasons You'll Never Retire" and I couldn't disagree with it more. I don't have an issue with the author because everyone needs to write articles that'll get attention and get read. I'm hoping it scared some people into saving more for retirement. I, however, am going to tell you why those six reasons don't mean you'll never be able retire. They may mean you have to work harder to achieve your retirement goals but it can still be done.
Reason 1: Corporate Pensions Slashed
“Companies did this to cut their costs, and unless you have amazing luck investing, the defined-contribution plans will deliver less income after you retire.”
The statement that defined-contribution plans will deliver less income after you retire is definitely a possibility. YOU can make it a false statement. It is a fact that most corporations no longer offer defined-benefit pension plans. These days many companies do offer defined-contribution plans like 401(k)s instead.
Do you want your 401(k) to provide as much income as a traditional defined-benefit pension? It is possible. The problem is most people don't want to make the sacrifice to save enough to generate that income in the future. YOU aren't most people though. If you want to have a pension-like income in retirement save like you mean it. 5% won't be near enough. Bump it up to 15%, 20%, 25% or more and you'll have a shot at making it a reality.
Reason 2: Dropping Income
“A September 2011 Census Bureau report revealed that a typical U.S. family became poorer between 2000 and 2010... Specifically, median household income fell 2.3% to $49,445 in 2010 and has dropped 7% since 2000 after adjusting for inflation -- and income was the lowest since 1996.”
If you're reading this blog my guess is you aren't trying to be the median household and I know that I'm not. It seems like a lot of people focus on these median statistics but in reality the median doesn't matter in your personal situation. You need to take responsibility for your income and grow it as much as you can. While the average may be dropping, if your personal income is growing it doesn't matter what the rest of America is doing. Work hard by working smart and increase your income. Don't settle for being the median.
Reason 3: Higher child care expenses due to rise in 2-income families
“While this arrangement offers financial benefits, it also adds to parental stress and boosts child care expenses for many families. For example, in 2011, fees in licensed centers ranged from as high as $14,050 a year for a 4-year-old child to $18,200 a year for an infant...”
Child care, like most everything else these days, is getting more expensive. Is anyone shocked? I'm not. This doesn't have to derail your retirement. Be creative and arrange your work schedules so you don't have to leave your kids in child care all day. Do you live close to family members who like to be involved in your kids' lives? See if they don't mind watching them a day or two a week. There are plenty of alternatives out there to plopping your kid into a "licensed center" all day every work day. Find one that works for you.
Reason 4: Collapsing investment returns
“...stocks have earned slightly more than 2% a year in the past decade, while the average annual return of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index from 2002 to 2012 has been 1.8%.”
I don't claim to have a crystal ball. I can't see the future. What I do know is that taking one ten year time period to prove a point isn't a sound analysis. If I had picked a different ten year time period the return may have been 8% a year or even more! While returns haven't been the best lately I believe that in the long run things will even out like they have in the past. The long run is not 10 years though. The long run, in my opinion is at least 20-30 years and might be even longer than that.
Another problem with this analysis is they are projecting one set of stats into the future. Have you ever heard about the roulette wheel? Just because the ball landed on black the last 100 times doesn't mean it will land on black again for 101st time in a row. I'm not telling you things will get better tomorrow but I'm pretty sure if you dollar cost average over the next 30 years you'll be much better off than 1.8% annual return.
Reason 5: Insufficient Savings
“If you have $10 million saved up, and it yields the typical money market rate of about 0.5%, that means $50,000 a year in income. ... According to the Employee Benefits Research Institute, 17% had more than $250,000 saved up in 2011. The report doesn't say what percentage had more than $1 million, but 60% of those surveyed reported having saved less than $50,000.”
If you have $10,000,000 saved up I sure hope you don't have it sitting in a money market account earning just 0.5%. I know of savings accounts that pay out more than 0.5%. If you manage to squeak out 2%, which is very reasonable, you'd take home $200,000 a year which would more than cover many people. That doesn't even begin touch the principal either. There is no doubt that you need to be cognizant of your rate of return and how much money will be available every year, but these numbers are ridiculous to me.
When it comes to how much money people have saved for retirement do you want to be part of that 17%? I do! The difference between myself and the 60% who had less than $50,000 is I'm going to take action to join the 17%. In fact, I'm going to need a lot more than $250,000 and I'm going to save to get to the amount I need to retire. Find your number (how much you need to save for retirement) and figure out how much you need to save each year to get to that goal. Don't wait. Start today. Time is your best friend. If you don't save you only have yourself to blame.
Reason 6: Inheritance Too Small
“If you don't have enough money saved up on which to retire, you have three options: work until you die, inherit enough to retire on or retire with insufficient money to pay your bills.
For example, 78 million baby boomers -- born between 1945 and 1965 -- are expected to inherit $8.4 trillion (including $2.4 million that has already been received), according to Boston College's Center for Retirement.”
I think the $2.4 million is supposed to be $2.4 trillion but I have made similar typos before so I can't blame the author for that. In my opinion, inheritance shouldn't even be brought up in retirement planning. People shouldn't rely on an inheritance to be able to retire. It shouldn't matter if the inheritance is too small or not. You should prepare for your retirement yourself and rely on nothing but what you can provide for yourself. That is the only way you can be certain you will be able to retire.
My Advice to You
Don't be a victim. Don't fall for the media gloom and doom hype. Think for yourself and take action to put yourself in the position you want to be in for retirement. Start saving today. Start saving a big chunk of money so you can live how you want to. If you're scared you haven't started soon enough there is no better time than today to get started. The longer you wait the worse off you will be. What are you waiting for?
I read a LOT of financial news and personal finance blogs. Normally they have a lot of similar view points. Lately I have noticed one thing that the mass media and personal finance blogs seem to differ on. In regards to retirement, the media focuses on fear mongering and stating that you will never be able to retire while personal finance bloggers seem to focus on how you can set yourself up to be able to retire comfortably in the future.
So What Brought This To My Attention?
I recently read an article on MSN titled "Six Reasons You'll Never Retire" and I couldn't disagree with it more. I don't have an issue with the author because everyone needs to write articles that'll get attention and get read. I'm hoping it scared some people into saving more for retirement. I, however, am going to tell you why those six reasons don't mean you'll never be able retire. They may mean you have to work harder to achieve your retirement goals but it can still be done.
Reason 1: Corporate Pensions Slashed
“Companies did this to cut their costs, and unless you have amazing luck investing, the defined-contribution plans will deliver less income after you retire.”
The statement that defined-contribution plans will deliver less income after you retire is definitely a possibility. YOU can make it a false statement. It is a fact that most corporations no longer offer defined-benefit pension plans. These days many companies do offer defined-contribution plans like 401(k)s instead.
Do you want your 401(k) to provide as much income as a traditional defined-benefit pension? It is possible. The problem is most people don't want to make the sacrifice to save enough to generate that income in the future. YOU aren't most people though. If you want to have a pension-like income in retirement save like you mean it. 5% won't be near enough. Bump it up to 15%, 20%, 25% or more and you'll have a shot at making it a reality.
Reason 2: Dropping Income
“A September 2011 Census Bureau report revealed that a typical U.S. family became poorer between 2000 and 2010... Specifically, median household income fell 2.3% to $49,445 in 2010 and has dropped 7% since 2000 after adjusting for inflation -- and income was the lowest since 1996.”
If you're reading this blog my guess is you aren't trying to be the median household and I know that I'm not. It seems like a lot of people focus on these median statistics but in reality the median doesn't matter in your personal situation. You need to take responsibility for your income and grow it as much as you can. While the average may be dropping, if your personal income is growing it doesn't matter what the rest of America is doing. Work hard by working smart and increase your income. Don't settle for being the median.
Reason 3: Higher child care expenses due to rise in 2-income families
“While this arrangement offers financial benefits, it also adds to parental stress and boosts child care expenses for many families. For example, in 2011, fees in licensed centers ranged from as high as $14,050 a year for a 4-year-old child to $18,200 a year for an infant...”
Child care, like most everything else these days, is getting more expensive. Is anyone shocked? I'm not. This doesn't have to derail your retirement. Be creative and arrange your work schedules so you don't have to leave your kids in child care all day. Do you live close to family members who like to be involved in your kids' lives? See if they don't mind watching them a day or two a week. There are plenty of alternatives out there to plopping your kid into a "licensed center" all day every work day. Find one that works for you.
Reason 4: Collapsing investment returns
“...stocks have earned slightly more than 2% a year in the past decade, while the average annual return of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index from 2002 to 2012 has been 1.8%.”
I don't claim to have a crystal ball. I can't see the future. What I do know is that taking one ten year time period to prove a point isn't a sound analysis. If I had picked a different ten year time period the return may have been 8% a year or even more! While returns haven't been the best lately I believe that in the long run things will even out like they have in the past. The long run is not 10 years though. The long run, in my opinion is at least 20-30 years and might be even longer than that.
Another problem with this analysis is they are projecting one set of stats into the future. Have you ever heard about the roulette wheel? Just because the ball landed on black the last 100 times doesn't mean it will land on black again for 101st time in a row. I'm not telling you things will get better tomorrow but I'm pretty sure if you dollar cost average over the next 30 years you'll be much better off than 1.8% annual return.
Reason 5: Insufficient Savings
“If you have $10 million saved up, and it yields the typical money market rate of about 0.5%, that means $50,000 a year in income. ... According to the Employee Benefits Research Institute, 17% had more than $250,000 saved up in 2011. The report doesn't say what percentage had more than $1 million, but 60% of those surveyed reported having saved less than $50,000.”
If you have $10,000,000 saved up I sure hope you don't have it sitting in a money market account earning just 0.5%. I know of savings accounts that pay out more than 0.5%. If you manage to squeak out 2%, which is very reasonable, you'd take home $200,000 a year which would more than cover many people. That doesn't even begin touch the principal either. There is no doubt that you need to be cognizant of your rate of return and how much money will be available every year, but these numbers are ridiculous to me.
When it comes to how much money people have saved for retirement do you want to be part of that 17%? I do! The difference between myself and the 60% who had less than $50,000 is I'm going to take action to join the 17%. In fact, I'm going to need a lot more than $250,000 and I'm going to save to get to the amount I need to retire. Find your number (how much you need to save for retirement) and figure out how much you need to save each year to get to that goal. Don't wait. Start today. Time is your best friend. If you don't save you only have yourself to blame.
Reason 6: Inheritance Too Small
“If you don't have enough money saved up on which to retire, you have three options: work until you die, inherit enough to retire on or retire with insufficient money to pay your bills.
For example, 78 million baby boomers -- born between 1945 and 1965 -- are expected to inherit $8.4 trillion (including $2.4 million that has already been received), according to Boston College's Center for Retirement.”
I think the $2.4 million is supposed to be $2.4 trillion but I have made similar typos before so I can't blame the author for that. In my opinion, inheritance shouldn't even be brought up in retirement planning. People shouldn't rely on an inheritance to be able to retire. It shouldn't matter if the inheritance is too small or not. You should prepare for your retirement yourself and rely on nothing but what you can provide for yourself. That is the only way you can be certain you will be able to retire.
My Advice to You
Don't be a victim. Don't fall for the media gloom and doom hype. Think for yourself and take action to put yourself in the position you want to be in for retirement. Start saving today. Start saving a big chunk of money so you can live how you want to. If you're scared you haven't started soon enough there is no better time than today to get started. The longer you wait the worse off you will be. What are you waiting for?
Thanks for allowing me to guest post. If anyone has any questions I'll be checking in and responding to comments over the next few days.
Posted by: Lance @ Money Life and More | October 03, 2012 at 07:18 AM
Great post! The media thrive on negative news, and to remain sane we all need a filter when watching or reading anything they say.
There's a terrific story on Yahoo of a guy who retired at 50. I happened to meet Darrow at the Fincon conference, so I know he's real. :) The link is at http://finance.yahoo.com/topics/financially-fit/. And, of course, Joe at Retire By 40 did it. So clearly it can be done.
But it can't be done by just taking a pill or passing a law. It does take a willingness to save and to spend a little time on the retirement fund, whether it be a rental house or securities investing.
Posted by: William @ Drop Dead Money | October 03, 2012 at 08:03 AM
Great perspective on the article. The article is correct for the vast majority of people that are relying on forces beyond their control. They will never have enough money to enjoy a comfortable retirement. It is better to focus on what we can control and that is (as FMF always says) maximizing our income and saving as much as we can.
Regarding point number 4 and investment returns, you are correct in saying that one 10 year period is not a trend, but niether is an average over the last 50, 75, 100 years (which is what most planners plug in their calculators). What really matters is the return in the 10 years on either side of retirement. That is where the retirement train can really come off the track. So what can we control? The DCA approach you suggest is probably the best plan prior to retirement but after retirement one needs to preserve principal first, invest second.
Posted by: Tim | October 03, 2012 at 08:38 AM
The most important takeaway from this article for those with pensions is that pensions are not guaranteed. You no longer can expect pensions to be there as they were once solidly relied upon. I mean, look at the whole NFL referee strike example. The refs risked their careers to fight back against the NFL owners to drop their cushiony pension system in substitute for a 401k.
Posted by: Luis | October 03, 2012 at 08:48 AM
Overall a good post. One quibble: "Be creative and arrange your work schedules so you don't have to leave your kids in child care all day."
My husband and I (and most people I know with kids) don't have the option to select our work schedules. It's defined by my employer and driven by the needs of a highly demanding work load.
As for relatives, they are either working their own jobs during the day, or too frail to care for a small child fulltime.
The comments on this issue struck me as an overly simplistic dismissal of a serious challenge. Not an insurmountable one, but a serious one nontheless.
I'd be interested to hear from other dual income households where both parents have career jobs to see how they're compensating for this income loss.
Posted by: Alex | October 03, 2012 at 09:45 AM
Alex, you make a good point. The point I am trying to make is that there are ways around it. They may not involve your current job or living situation but it isn't an absolute requirement that can't be worked around. If the decision is made that daycare is the best option i have no problem with that. It will cost you a significant amount of money though. Just cutting the expense by one or two days of daycare a week might be worth it.
Posted by: Lance@MoneyLife&More | October 03, 2012 at 10:03 AM
I was a mom in a 2 career household with 2 small kids in paid daycare, in a state where pro daycares are very expensive (Now my kids are teenagers, so no daycare).
How did we compensate for " income loss " to daycare? We kept our lifestyle very very very low. And we continued to grow both our careers (which is a good thing, because we eventually split up, and I'd be in a financial bind if I had put my career on hold when we had kids).
Mainly, to contain lifestyle creep The kids and I lived in the cheap starter home that we bought before we were married for 20 years, even after the divorce. No trading up, and I paid off the mortgage. My daycare bill was twice what the mortgage payment was per month! That was the biggest thing.p that helped...houses are more costly than anything else. We also paid off our 2 cars and drove each until it was 10 yrs old, and we didnt take any resort vacations for years ( just staycations, camping, travel only to stay with family etc).
When the kids were finally done with daycare, I just put the extra into savings for a few more years.
Now that my kids are about to attend high school, I am taking advantage of my savings, and the great interest rates and trading up into a better neighborhood with a better school. Waiting 14 years to move after having kids made all the difference to my balance sheet!
I feel like too many families try to trade up in their house, car, lifestyle too soon, ie when their kids are tiny and they have daycare bills also. I am also amazed at how many families go into debt to take resort vacations that their kids wont even remember, and buy fancy cars on credit because they think they need them to haul the kids around. My kids trashed my cars...crackers, vomit, etc... there is no reason to haul kids in a new car now that even older cars all have safety features.
Posted by: MC | October 03, 2012 at 10:15 AM
I had my first staycation this year and I loved it!
Posted by: Luis | October 03, 2012 at 11:47 AM
If you think daycare is expensive when they are little, wait until they go off to college! :)
Posted by: Tim | October 03, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Timing can make a huge positive or negative difference to one's retirement.
I worked for the largest aerospace company in the US for my last 32 years, retiring in 1992, at age 58, when the company realized they had to downsize because the Cold War had ended. They offered a Salaried Incentive Retirement Plan (SIRP) that would pay you one week's salary for every year of service if you took early retirement. I took the $45K, retired 6 months earlier than I had planned, and used the money to become debt free on the home and condo that we owned.
The year after I retired the company merged with another huge aerospace company and eliminated the pension plan for all new workers, leaving in place the 401K plan that had been there for many years. Thus if I had been hiring in at age 26 rather than retiring at age 58 I would be a lot worse off today. I wouldn't have a pension and I wouldn't still be in my old company's group insurance health care plan, which is a good one.
I'm now 78, have been retired for 20 years and am wealthy. However, if I was only 47 years old and still working for the same company I would be struggling today to save for a good retirement.
Instead of being retired, in my early 60's with excellent investment skills and quite a lot of money to invest when the dot.com bubble hit the market I would have been a 30 year old with 3 young children, no investment skills, and hardly any money to invest outside of my 401K. This I would have missed the greatest investment opportunity of my lifetime.
Likewise, the gorgeous new home I bought for $26,950 in 1963 would not be available since all the buildable orchard land in Silicon Valley had already been developed and the same home, used, would have been over $300K by 1995.
Also, by the time the real estate bubble burst our home and condo were both paid for, our property taxes were still very low because of California's Prop 13 and our retirement was on cruise control and we were seeing the world, Africa, Nepal, Bali, Russia, Turkey, Morroco, Europe etc. Each having a pension helps a great deal. Now we basically live on our pension and SS checks and reinvest our investment income.
Bottom Line - Every generation MUST understand the economic times they are in, be aware how it is going to effect them in the future, and make their retirement plans accordingly. What worked great for your parents is almost certainly not going to be right for you. It may be better - it may be worse.
Posted by: Old Limey | October 03, 2012 at 12:16 PM
#1 - They are right that 401ks suck compared to defined benefit pensions in general. If you save a lot then you can compensate but that means saving 15-20% of your income including employer match and the vast majority of people aren't aware of this and seem to think 401ks are good enough.
#3 - I don't really see how childcare cost derails retirement in general. I mean it is an expense and its costly but its generally only temporary until the kids are in school and its an expense of working for 1 of 2 parents. There are various expenses of working and this is one of em. Its avoidable in many situations and your wages should exceed the childcare costs. Kids are expensive no matter what you do.
#4 - The article says: ", while the average annual return of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index from 2002 to 2012 has been 1.8%.”" Yet from Oct 2002 to Oct 2012 the S&P 500 is up about 7.4% annually including dividends. I'm not sure what time period they go the 1.8% from, but if that was right, it was quickly proven wrong.
Posted by: Jim | October 03, 2012 at 01:05 PM
I think a lot of 2 income families assume it's in their best interest to both keep working but in some cases it may make financial sense for the lower paying parent to stay home with the children. Where I live child care is anywhere from $1000-1500/month depending on the child's age. If you have 2 children under 5 this becomes a huge expense. Unless both parents are making large incomes, the added stress, less time with the children, and additional gas/wear/tear on the car sometimes doesn't even make financial sense.
Posted by: Noah | October 03, 2012 at 01:10 PM
The real reason why people can't retire is because they spend too much money. When it comes down to it, most retiree can live on the modest social security check. It's not a lot, but people adapt. If you want to spend more money in retirement, then you need to save more now.
Posted by: retirebyforty | October 03, 2012 at 02:37 PM
Once again, they low balled the returns of the S&P 500 by not including dividends. I get mad when they deliberately ignore dividends to make a point.
Posted by: Mark | October 03, 2012 at 04:43 PM
The kids issue is simple. Just don't have them. Everyone knows they are expensive even in the best of circumstances...so if you can't afford them, then don't have them. It's not that difficult. That's why they invented birth control, adoption, and abortion (admittedly, that last option is my least favorite).
Posted by: Mark | October 03, 2012 at 04:45 PM
I agree with Mark. If someone is 100% focused on making as much money as possible and retiring as soon as possible DO NOT have children.
On the opposite side, if you can't afford them, please don't have them so society can pay for them. Please give them up for adoption and let a loving family provide a stable home.
Posted by: Noah | October 03, 2012 at 07:18 PM
@Mark
From 12/31/01 to 10/2/12 the annual return on Vanguard's S&P500 fund was 4.11%.
From 12/31/01 to 10/2/12 the annual return on the S&P500 index was 2.17%.
@Jim
From 10/02/02 to 10/2/12 the annual return on Vanguard's S&P500 fund was 7.77%.
From 10/02/02 to 10/2/12 the annual return on the S&P500 index was 5.74%.
@Noah
We had three children, the first was born in 1958, the last in 1963. They were all out on their own by 1983. They really didn't cost us a whole lot. All three had multiple jobs from the time they started high school to the time they left home. We never needed childcare because my wife stayed home during their early years. They each bought their own cars. The boy did it on his own, the two girls received interest free loans and payment books from me and bought their own car insurance. Their telephone usage cost me nothing since they used our home phone and I charged them for all message units they used. One daughter went to a junior college for an AA degree, the other daughter got a BS in marketing at our local state college and paid her own tuition. The boy became an auto mechanic apprentice and never attended college. Thus there were no tuition loans, no car loans. I did however buy their lift tickets when we would all go to our cabin at Lake Tahoe most Winter weekend to ski.
I think it's very different these days with high tuition loans, kids not working during their high school years, and the parents buying cars, computers and smart phones for each child.
Posted by: Old Limey | October 03, 2012 at 08:56 PM
My strategy to avoid almost all of these things is to invest a lot in my future when I'm younger, and hope that it grows. I have a pension through work, but I also have retirement savings.
I haven't even considered an inheritance in my retirement plans, so that's really not a thought. I can't imagine leaving my future up to a potential inheritance. I hope to be able to retire with a moderate income without even having to think about an inheritance. That's a bit of an odd argument. Many won't even get an inheritance.
Posted by: Daisy @ Free Money Wisdom | October 03, 2012 at 10:10 PM
I think the pension comment is very noteworthy. A little off topic but there is a brewing calamity in America with the loss of the traditional pension plans that may not show up for awhile. I think it takes a certain amount of development as a human being to be able to acquire the discipline, understanding and foresight to save for your retirement. Most people on this site have this ability but the fact is the average American worker does not. The traditional pension provided this means without the employee really seeing it. It was kind of provided for their own good. Of course, this is also why corporations want to jettison these things. They cost them a lot and they get no credit with their employees for it. I think there is definitely a pending retirement crisis on the horizon.
Another comment that I would make is that in my case I would be far, far ahead if I had received a matching 401k contribution rather than a traditional pension. The rates of returns assumed in these plans are typically a point or two below the S&P 500. So, in theory, if you receive the same contribution amount you would end up ahead by just plowing it into a Vanguard 500 fund. Over my 25 years I would have 2-3 times an equivalent asset and monthly payout but I digress..
Posted by: SteveR | October 04, 2012 at 12:02 AM
@Lance, good points! Thanks for your reply.
@MC & Old Limey appreciate the insights. I agree that keeping our budget very low will be the way through.
@Noah, agree that it might make more financial sense for my husband not to work, but he's concerned about what that will do to his employability to have a gap in his work history. Any other stay-at-home Dads that have addressed this issue?
Posted by: Alex | October 04, 2012 at 09:26 AM
I did not begin saving for retirement until I was 48-50. And I began slowly because we were deep in debt. But I am surviving nicely so far. I have so little in my 503b that it is below the original FDIC insurance coverage amount. It was in a straight savings account type and was earning a good rate of 7-9%. Now it is getting 2.75%, which is great for the time.
Since I have SS & 2 small retirements, I just take the annual minimum from my account to fix up the home or travel. In the 7 years I've been retired, I have withdrawn $15k from my account and am only down $4k at the present time. That seems tremendous to me. At the current rate of withdrawal, this account should last me for about 24 years, not counting any interest I receive. So - it isn't necessary to always go full-tilt on retirement. However, it is better to have more than you need than too little. I do love your advice and always consider it carefully. Thank you so much.
Also, I retired at a good time from a state job and had the choice of two retirement options. Luckily I chose the right one. I get a guaranteed cost of living adjustment each year of 4% min. and 5% max. to or through 2016. Then I begin to get what every other state retiree gets. So, I feel comfortable as a 75 y/o retiree. My annual income, including 503b withdrawal, is close to $33k and I live in a low cost of living small town. I thank God daily for the way my life has turned out and I try to return to others what I have been blessed with. So far, it is working out.
Posted by: Georgia | October 07, 2012 at 10:03 PM